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Bizarrely, I dreamt last night that Davis scored the winner. Couldn't see which end.

I asked the librarian if they had any books about suicide. He said "we did, but they never get returned."

That wasn't really campaigned upon though, was it? Overwhelmingly, the message from the remain camp was the dire consequences for the economy were we to leave, and how much better off we'd all be if we stayed. There were even figures thrown at us, "every family would be £4000 a year worse off...." iirc. My point was that the leave vote was motivated by issues like immigration, border control and UK sovereignty. People voting on those grounds presumably considered a certain amount of economic damage to be acceptable as the economy was not their primary motivation for voting to leave. Perhaps if the remain campaign had focused more on the benefits you mention instead of the scare tactics employed, the vote may have been reversed; I doubt many leave voters genuinely believed that we would all get richer if we left the EU, so in a sense the remain campaign was preaching to the converted rather than trying to persuade those who favoured leaving that other benefits outweighed UK immigration levels etc. fwiw, my opinion is that the whole referendum mess was flawed from start to finish. There was no need for it in the first place, but if there had have been, the question should have had more than the two stark options, leave or stay; imo if a middle-way question had been included along the lines of "remain in the EU, but retain our current relationship with it", we wouldn't be going through brexit now. My position was that I would have liked a remain vote, but with the narrowest possible margin, far narrower than the actual vote margin and ideally with less than 1% in it. That would have enabled us to stay in, but without the threat of a future UK government treating the vote as a licence to take us much farther into integration than we already are, most importantly as regards the euro. Blair would have had us in that like a shot just so he could sit at the big table with the french and germans, and who's to say another PM wouldn't have the same idea?

Suck what up? I'm more or less neutral on which way the vote went, was pointing out to shurlock that those in favour of leaving are more likely to accept economic damage as part of the price as they were voting partly for other reasons than the economy.

That goes without saying. Pretty much the entire argument in favour of a remain vote was on economic grounds, while large swathes of the argument in favour of a leave vote was on grounds unconnected (or perceived as unconnected) with the economy.

The more of this sh*te I read the more convinced I am that the remain side will only be happy when the economy collapses so they can say they were right.

I thought my luck had turned when I spotted a pair of magpies. Then I got run over by a woman named Joy.

Did you know that pigeons die after sex? Well, the one I f*cked did.

Of course, not everyone who voted AfD is dissatisfied with the EU. Equally, not everyone who voted for other parties is satisfied with the EU. I was pointing out that the perception of Germany being entirely pro EU is false, and as Nick and others pointed out, a lot of them already resent forking out towards the southern Europeans and that's only going to get worse when the bill goes up. I'd also say that it's a hell of a step for Germany to vote in such numbers for a right wing party standing on an anti immigrant platform, is there even a precedent for that post-war?

Get in!! It's taken 4928 posts, but we've finally hit Godwin!

Very good

I realise that, and when the EU finally implodes Germany will be the last man standing. But the idea that everyone in Germany is perfectly happy about it is a fallacy, and we now have a right wing extremist party in the German assembly with 13% of the vote.

The 13% who voted AfD presumably think they ought to have.

I saw a new cut-price Korean butchers shop today. Houndland.

Has anyone tried switching it off and then on again?

I've thought about this before, and it's more than that. Of course that's a big part of it, but it's over simplifying to say its only because we won a lot.

...does that mean they will start singing in high-pitched voices?

Chatting up this girl, and she asked what I did. "I tune pianos," I replied. "Oh, I'd have thought you'd be blind," she smiled. "What, because I'm a piano tuner?" I laughed. "No," she said, "because you're a w*nker".

Strangered in the night. RIP

It's too exciting to watch so they banned it.

Talk about a reverse ferret, I heard salmond myself on the today programme (before the jock referendum), he said clearly that adopting the euro was a natural and desirable starting point for an independent scotland. That, of course, was before the collapse of the pigs.

They would have been, if salmond had got his way. He's on record as stating that one of the first moves for an independent scotland would have been exit from sterling and joining the eurozone.

That was practically in the net from the second Cedric tried to get clever.

........and breathe

I got back from work ten minutes ago. Have we been this poor all game?