Sundance Beast

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Wesley, I'm fairly confident you get under the skin of most forumites with your boring, 'I like the sound of my own self-important voice', pomposity. As for my alledged inability for short pithy responses it seems I'm in good company.

What if you post a thread that doesn't start what if?

I don't know Mr T what do they say? That they masquerade on football forums as Wes Tender? I am more Creative Beast than Sundance Creative and given some of the idiots on this forum it is irresponsible to post up links to my idenity when beyond the fact we share a word in our 'names' the owner of this company has nothing to do with me. There are 1 or 2 posters who know the origins of my user name and I think its fair to say they enjoyed the irony but I can assure everyone that any reference to ANY Company is purely coincidental. Off you go Freud.

No idea if it's true but you'll post it on here anyway. Be very, very sure of your facts or I suggest you swiftly retract the comment and delete the link. I'm unsure why my identity is so important to you but bringing in people just because they share the same word in their company name as my forum ID is frankly ridiculous. Why not look up some links to Beast whilst your at it? Am I Bruce Dickinson? I suppose it hasn't crossed your mind that since this company's address is on the website and the directors names, that a few chavvy idiots unable to debate issues and opinions with words may resort to some other kind of drink fuelled riposte? Irresponsible doesn't begin to cover it. Run to the hills.

I find the thing that lifts my heart the most is the Basset Avenue north of the Winchester Road roundabout but only when you are travelling north.

Is this above not an example of hostile speech and criticism? I am a Saints supporter and the majority of my comments are directed at fans whose soporific posts or those whose whinging views and damaging actions I consider detrimental to the club. In the past 10 years who has done more to keep this club self-sufficient and in the face of an undeserving barrage of abuse from about 10% of deeply ignorant and mindless fans. Rupert Lowe or Duncan Holley? If the latter had to face half the unwarranted abuse the former had in the past 3 years IMO he would have disappeared down his sulk-hole a lot quicker than he did eventually. Even 50,000 geordies who are happy to bite the hand that feeds realise that they will be responsible for their own downfall if they don't continue to go to matches even though their supposed nemesis Ashley remains. Half our fanbase doesn't appear to be that intelligent or devoid of all logical analysis. I'm no fan of Ashley mainly because of the way he conducts himself personally, trying to ingratiate himself with the fans, but I would love him now to pull all his funding and watch Keegan (a dog who had his last day 3 years ago) and his romantic followers try and survive in the premiership without his backing. Owners and chairman who clearly work hard for the club and make their contribution financially or through hard work and expertise and then get vilified by the fan base for every decision the fans don't support quite frankly should shaft the club and walk away and leave it to the dreamers. IMO dreamers are people like Crouch and Keegan and in our case the stay away fans and those who have a childish paddywhack just because of a call with Lowe who in turn was a bit rude - can you blame Lowe? Yeah, get me off, so this forum can become even more sterile for you to all have a love in and suck eachother's ****s safe in the knowledge no one is going to challenge your arrogant presumptions that someone better than Lowe will save you. They won't so take a big dose of reality and get behind the team you're embarassing yourselves.

'Bring down the curtain, the farce is played out' At least thanks to Baj and co's sterile new show it certainly appears to be the case and one that Duncan should be happy to return to in a leading role. Afterall, this forum has become as dry and as boring as one of his book's IMO.

Toomer, I'd forgotten about the squirrels. They are an unspoken and silent menace to society and surely it won't be long before they start getting on the housing list and tooling themselves with knives and Burberry. Bastards.

First and foremost desecration of any grave is a despicable and heinous act. I doubt we will find anyone who doesn't believe it is an indefensible and abhorrent crime and the increased anguish to those already grieving is undoubtedly unmeasureable. However, it can be argued that we have an unacceptable culture in this country with regard to giving birth and the lifelong responibilities it endowes on the parents. The sheer number of teenage pregnancies and the desire to get pregnant under the security that the government will provide shelter and help feed and clothe the baby is wrong. The positive thing is that a lot of these people help fill the daytime TV schedules by providing foder for Kyle's odious morning horror show. We have a problem within our society that has basically given rise to the Chav and Knife culture and that is many of our children are in some areas consistently brought up in an environment wholly unsuitable for children and IMO it is fuelled by a lack of parental control, order, discipline and where necessary strict training and monitoring. Basically, people have children too readily and then find themselves ill equipped to cope with every aspect of parenthood. I don't know the details of this case or the people involved but understand the toddler died as a result of playing in his gran's garden with his cousin who was under 2 years of age. The report IMO suggests they must have been left unsupervised for a few minutes at least and even without a pond in the garden is it not fair to question the role of both parent and grandparent? If this accident had occured whilst the toddler was in the care of say a childminder that person would have probably been prosecuted for manslaughter accept OFSTED would have probably ordered them to fill the pond in during their inspections The state rightly through organisations like OFSTED make sure a child's environment is as safe as possible but the one problem it rarely addresses until its too late is that of the parent's ability to be a responsible parent. IMO opinion there are 3 accidents, 1) a simple unavoidable accident, 2) an avoidable accident and 3) a negligent accident. IMO at best this unfortunate toddler was a victim of an accident somewhere between 2 and 3 and whilst the vandalism to the grave is totally reprehensible it is no less disgusting IMO than the fact he ended up in a grave as a result of such an obvious and avoidable accident given the circumstances as I understand them from one report. The parent / grandparent were IMO responsible for criminal negligence no less than had the accident occured at a playschool or childminder's and our society does not do enough I'm afraid to condone teenage pregnancies or children born to parents incapable of supporting them. Sadly the parent and grandparent have paid a price far greater than being prosecuted for what could be argued was criminal negligence for allowing something that would be obvious to most not to allow.

True, although it could be argued some people latch on too much to other people's grief beyond acceptable boundaries. Do parents still put grills over ponds or fill them in?

And the actual rationale would be that it was done for a combination of financial and footballing reasons.

You troll Wesley with all the panache of a man discussing Traffic light phasing at some village crossroads. This is supposed to be a discussion forum amongst fans from all walks of life on all things Saints related. You act like you are the chair of some trumped up PCC. We bow to your highness of Wesley cleverness but surely you are aware that you are the only troll that doesn't generate a response. You are just a big tit straight from the Vicar of Dibley.

Sorry but I don't buy into the international break or the perceived lack of activty at the club both on and off the pitch. This forum has been destroyed by Baj and to a lesser degree his merry band of mods. I have no doubt the old TSF was difficult and time-consuming to manage but it was both informative, entertaining and infuriating in equal measure. This at times lead to some comments to get close to the knuckle and I have no doubt IMO, led to some 'upset' callers knocking on Baj's door trying to leverage their weight to either close the forum or silence a few individuals. I may be wrong but lets assume I'm not, is it right that people can't voice an opinion on a forum in a democratic society? Baj advised me that he owned the old forum and it was up to him who he allowed access and what they posted and that any notion of it being a democracy on my part was pathetic or words to that effect. IMO Baj wanted to tap into the traffic on the forum as a way of making some money in return for his efforts. Nothing wrong in that of course but the route he chose was wrong because it potentially compromised the more robust poster's identity and went against the norm of just about every other forum on the internet and certainly football related. Clearly the way to go was to introduce advertising on to the forum in it's new guise but that would have taken a lot more work and would have not covered the immediate outlay for the new servers which may or may not have been required dependent on your technical viewpoint. Most entreprenuers I have met sink their money into a project or idea and then work hard to recoup their capital outlay. Again IMO Baj wanted a low risk and easy way to turn the forum into a way of making money but didn't count on the fact that the bridges he burned on his way were the very links in the chain that kept the discussion alive and entertaining and therefore encouraging users to log in regularly and add to the lively debates. FWIW I miss the banter of the Soul Cellar thread, amongst many others, and to be able to start up a thread or exchange a pm or two. However, in the name of progress Baj has achieved his ultimate aim, less effort in policing the forum and all for a quick buck. Perhaps we should leave him counting his fivers and all migrate to the other options available. Even the pompous Wes Tender and the Dumb Pahars are welcome as he all need something to work with.

Ditto. I wouldn't trust him to deliver a pizza on time let alone a well run forum where individual's bank details and personal information are as guaranteed as the major financial institutions. If you want a witch hunt to liven things up along the lines of Lowe, Burley and Crouch then IMO we have an obvious candidate and far more deserving of our collective abuse than anyone in the past. present or future. With the possible exception of John Wesley Tender.

The meaning of troll as it applies to internet forums? To troll Wes is to drag a line with bait through the water and hope for a bite so I assume the internet has adopted this term for asking searching questions in the hope of generating some reaction and debate a.k.a., a bite. Its not unlike using the word web to describe the worldwide coverage of the internet. Or did the world of natural history adopt it thinking is was an ideal world to describe a spider's residence? Now admittedly, your trolling is not obvious but your pompous and pseudo-intellectual responses usually generates a bite for those who wish this forum was returned to its original home of lively and admittedly at times anarchic debate. If nothing else it was entertaining but it's a concern posters like you are now strangling the life out of the place like internet forum knotweed. In future if you do wish me to comment on a 'personal' reply to a post then can I suggest you use the pm system instead of boring the rest of us with your 'cleverness'. BTW if you would like to borrow my Immodium let me know. Although, in your case prevention may be better than the cure. You have unlimited posts remaining today please make one of them a good one. Regards and apologies for not being able to reply using the pm system but Baj doesn't believe a forum is a place for democracy.

Ron, most perceptive as usual. If banks and government agencies can lose your personal details despite the DPA, can you trust Baj not to leave his laptop in Starbucks? Considering some of the private messages I've had from this character in the past he would probably try to trace my DNA from any enclosed fiver and in any event and through personal choice I certainly would not want to support any organisation where he his responsible for customer service. Baj is it still your 'undemocratic' forum and you'll cry if you want to? Regards SB

Most troll like Mr John Wesley and as usual just a tad pompous and boring. A troll without a sense of the need to generate debate and adopt the odd shock tactic will induce on the forum a state of narcolepsy. 'Read up the meaning of troll' ? You sad, sad little scandinavian dwarf drawing his bait along the water as he sits on his little friendless toadstool.

'Ask an impertinent question, and you are on the way to a pertinent answer'. Don't try to avoid debate by getting all moralistic. Have you started to post on behalf of (John) Wes(ley) Tender?

Did he wheel out the: 'I have 16 years of successful management behind me so I see no reason to change my methods now'? If he didn't say it in his post match interviews he clearly still believes his tried and tested(?) way is best.

And the magistrate is the only one without any arrest or prosecution quotas to reach. The man is innocent why can't you and others simply accept that FACT. His only crime seems to have been getting hooked up with the wrong crowd on a night out and being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Since the change from TSF it seems to me some users feel they should get their fiver's worth by increasing their posts and the amount of rubbish they post.

Doug as you are retired I would thankfully and respectfully suggest that both Jan and Rupert will be around longer than you. Time for you to forgive and forget and move on as your views are as stuck as your old 78s. Truly ridiculous thread. Lowe is running this club now in an altogther different era and the rules of engagement have clearly changed for anyone intelligent enough to assess and accept the situation. We are in a better position now than at any time in the past two years but it remains grave. Posters on here have the attention and expectation span of Mike Ashley. Dennis Wise as DoF anyone?

He is not distancing himself on a technicality but on the fact there was no evidence to support his prosecution. Pictures may paint a thousand words and all that but I assume this CCTV had no sound and for all we know BWP was saying something to Dyer along the lines of 'Nathan wtf are you doing come on leave it'. BWP was smiling but isn't he always plus he was a young bloke out on the beer which presumably has all made us grin at sometime, past, present or future. As for obstructing or perverting the course of justice, which is a crimial offence still isn't it? If the police thought that was the case would they not have charged him with this serious crime? Could it be that BWP was simply on a night out with Dyer and got hooked up with another bunch of blokes who happened to eventually turn out and to be the wrong crowd? Have you never gone on a night out and had a laugh and a joke with another group of people but beyond learning their first names, if that, you go home having shared a good night no more no less. As Delldays has said this thread seems to exist purely to pure scorn and bile on one of our players in particular because he has not paid for whatever he has done in the eyes of the oh so mighty and righteous Saints fan. Ring up Talksport and give your suspect views to Ian Wright, he may put you right you sad little men. Oh and as for the example of BWP and Dyer breaking into your house and nicking your laptop and your wife's handbag just think about how far from the real thing that analogy is especially with regard to intent. As always on this forum 99% of us clearly don't know the facts yet as head of some kangaroo court we all feel qualified and justified on condemning an individual based on our perception. On issues as serious as this, questioning the integrity of a player of good character and from a well known and respected family I suggest your words should be as meaningful as your silence would have been.

Because IMO there are probably people in the police force not unlike some posters on this forum (are you reading this John Wesley Tender?) who prefer to make judgements on what they think they know rather than the do some detailed investigation into the facts. Furthermore, and I hate to say this living a multi-cultural society, but IMO the colour of his skin and his young wealth probably had something to do with it. BWP clearly had no role in the theft and appears to have been accused merely on the fact he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. It was a champagne arrest that served no purpose IMO than to discredit BWP. Shall we arrest everyone who has simply walked into a room or place whilst a crime is being committed? A suspect or a witness by all means but arrested on the strength of that cctv footage? Unfortunately, for Bradley who is a really decent bloke who has been well brought up the sh1t will stick because of the unforgiving prejudice of others and their inability to admit they were wrong. Personally, Bradley I wish you all the best and you get a club with fans more supportive of your decent nature and footballing abilities which have no doubt suffered because of this whole sorry saga.

Significant Mr T in the fact that we seem to have about 15,000 fans who would only prefer to come and support us in case they miss out on witnessing some success or disaster and otherwise choose to stay away or make some pathetic stance against the club because they don't like the chairman? Where have the chavvy little tits gone from the Sheff Utd game gone? Perhaps Ruperts biggest mistake was building a stadium to accommodate the chavvy plastics and wannabe fairweather fans perhaps the capacity should have been 10k lower and give the ground back to the real fans. Ironically though who booed?