Sundance Beast

Some through bad management end up at the bottom and off the rails in horrifc crashes that closes down the park. If we had kept bootboy and the incompetent fan in charge we would have crashed at the botom and off the rails along with all the ensuing carnage. There wouldn't have been a team / product left worth taking over and if nothing else at least Lowe/Wilde are still making an effort to keep this club as a saleable commodity. Morning Doug, had a lie in this morning if that's ok with you. No doubt check in again tomorrow so have a great day. Get some fresh air in your lungs now the storm of last night has blown over you never know the winds of change may unstick that mind of yours. (With all due respect as usual to yourself)

Or simply Nigel Pearson is working at level now where he can look competent. One defeat where for long periods of the game we seemed to play very well and undone by honest naiveness. We are dodgy at the back but didn't we suffer 5 goal humiliations under Burley and Pearson and have none of the exciting football on display going forward. JP maybe naive but better that than Burley's and Pearson misguided and arrogant self-belief. The only way we will get relegated this season is if the fans continue to stay away and fail to do their job - support the team!!!! Revenues will fall and we will need to sell players key to our survival and you will all blame Lowe for you forcing his hand and destroying the hopes and dreams of this young hard working and bright team and the loyal supporters who recognise that the foundations are being laid for a brighter future. One heavy defeat that showed no signs of the utter capitulation shown by experienced 'blood sucking' players in their 5 goal defeats last season and you are all woe is me and Lowe out. If you want to best someone with a stick, beat your mindless whingeing selves of such fortitude and foresight (sic), its boring and unfortunatley your prophecies will be selffulfillling and like most whingers in life when it goes wrong you're look for people to blame rather than you as the source of the problem. GET BEHIND THE TEAM FOR FFS!!! This season will be a rollercaoster but if we show our support through the gates they can do enough to survice and entertain us along the way whilst growing in experience and delivering the building blocks for better things. Alternatively you can moan your little arses off and hope for a takeover and that someone will save you, are you French? If you are show some ****** like those of us in the resistance.

Most definitely. Baj you are in danger of coming across as somewhat smug and big headed but it appears the danger has passed and it simply has been confirmed. You alledgedly appear to twist the facts to suit yourself so you are clearly deluded and IMO not to be trusted. Your desperate attempts to defend yourself against Stu suggests he hit more than a sensitive nerve.

So Baj you deny telling me in an email after I was banned from TSf that you owned the forum and you could chose who could post on your site? Paraphrasing (as I did not keep the original mail, pity as I would love to post it on here) that I was deluded to think the forum was a democracy and that bottom line you owned the forum and you had the final say who posted on it and who didn't. It appears I was not alone. Personally, I wouldn't trust you with the contents of my dustbin so unlikely to trust you with my financial details. Baj you are more deluded than the stay aways who appear to be some of your best customers. Good luck.

Wes your habitual moaning about price of tickets is becoming tedious. You gave up the chance to renew as part of the March Madness offer and pay about £17 a game and not to mention that fact you could spread the cost of the ST over 6 months at 0%. Saints really is operating no different than any other business where long term commitment is rewarded with better deals. Weston Saint puts it all more eloquently than I do. I don't know much about other club's pricing but I guess our prices stand close scrutiny with those clubs we would or would like to consider our peers. Wes you are getting very, very tedious and this obssessio with price is just an opportunity for you to have a dig at the club you are supposed to support and yet, rarely do I read anything positive from your posts. Do you ever stop moaning? I'm guessing that the money worries run a little deeper for you as perhaps your wife is due to get her passport soon and you need to finance another trip to the far east? Apologies if my guess is wide of the mark but its only recently you have got on your high horse about the price of a ticket and perhaps the 3 years is up for being chaperoned by a 'young and beautiful' wife. BTW our 6 month interest free loan has now finished so we can enjoy the next 18 games without having to dip into our pockets again until next March. You're not as smart as you think you are Wes, enjoy your next trip.

Mole, judging by your previous post i wonder and doubt if you have been to any games at all, ever. You're welcome btw.

This season should be all about survival building a foundation towards a better future and I would happily take 16th place as we are now. It would be an improvement on last year and would be very hopeful that we are mathematically safe from relegation long before we were last year! Its fair to say that teams in this league are all capable of beating eachother on their day but it looks like we already have 3 prime candidates for relegation in Forest, Doncaster and Barnsley and IMO worse case scenario it will be something like a 6 way fight for relegation of which we may be involved or better still provided we can continue our current level of form over the first 9 games we should be safe on around 56pts. Lets face it, inexperience and fitness have been our downfall in some games and with such a young side we can only get stronger just like Palace last season. Hopeful, but please lets temper thoughts of playoffs as some less realistic supporters will be clamouring for JP's head if he doesn't emulate the great and most fortunate Burley's play off season. One note of caution though is that if fans continue to stay away and gates are not at least around the 18k mark then expect some of the keystones of our foundation to be sold come January. The slogan - 'Use it or lose it' has been rolled out many times to try and save all manner of public and private services and if fans continue to avoid supporting the team at home yet travelling to away games, or in some misguided protest against the club's hierarchy, Lowe won't be the only thing to leave SMS and it will be a freefall drop and no parachute.

Brilliant post and everyone take note not a hint of a blame. So if the moaners would like to step up to the plate and criticise or challenge Battersea's comments then feel free I'll be interested in your whinging about ticket prices and the global economy vs the need to support the club financially. Football lives to a different set of rules and in its own micro-economy and its survived worse downturns than the current problems, so there are few genuine excuses other than your desire to watch 'Premiership' football only, by a club managed as a temporary toy by some bored oligarch. If we continue to take Wes Tender's and Puff's view amongst many then lets continue to blame the board both past and present. Even Crouch and his cronies had the good sense to fix season ticket prices very competitively with their March Madness offer in line with our peer group so if you chose to ignore that offer more fool you or were you just a plastic waiting for the drop into League 1 and ready to walk away if boot boy didn't deliver (which he didn't, Wright did.). £17 a game seems like good value to me especially based on the entertainment on offer on Tuesday but as any geniune fan will tell you some weaker souls dress up the entertainment factor as an over-inflated level of expectation on their part and that's why so many people from an early age choose to support the big teams of their day and not their local team. Wes and Co stop your boring moaning about ticket prices as you chose to miss out on the offers no one else and if you want perceived 'value' go and watch Chelsea or others of their ilk. Personally, I'm enjoying my football more than at any time since our relegation season.

I wouldn't dispute some of his points but I would readily dispute they are reasons for fans staying away. They are just smokescreens to the real reason and that is the return of Lowe. Branfoot, Wigley, the recession of the early 90's etc etc all had limited impact compared to what we see today. As others more eloquent than me have said it is the stay away spitefull silly little fans who will bring this club down and force a fire sale that would make this summer's movements look like a gentle car boot at a village fete.

You sad ignorant individual. Are you just simple or just a vindictive, vacuous cretin? You are no doubt the chav who put the chav in Chaventry as you don't seem to have the intelligence to realise that by avoiding home games you and others like you are not feathering Lowes nest but your action is more akin to dumping in your own home and preventing the opportunity for the club to lay a few more eggs in the nest and continue its re-birth. Continuing on a feathered theme you show all the attributes of a cuckoo and to put it mildly you are at best completely cuckoo. Even Leon Crouch still supports the team at home and I suspect he has more to be miffed at than you and your pathetic little protest. People talk about the fantastic support at Doncaster but if half our number were there because they can't see their team play at home because they are prejudice towards the board their support, if we can call it that, is questionable, unhelpful (feathering the nest of our opponents instaed of ourselves) and about as welcome as the bell ringing skate in the Northam. Clearly, you support a plan of all Saints fans going to away games and stay away from home games just to oust Lowe? If we all did that your plan would succeed but there would be nothing left to takeover. Can your tiny mind understand that? Thankfully, between 13,000 and 14,000 of us are bemused by your 'protest' and look forward to seeing you back at SMS when you realise you may actually be missing out on something worthwhile. Personally, you will be about as welcome as the plastic premiership fans or god forbid some half-baked consortium based takeover. The future of this club is in the hands of those at the club today from groundstaff all the way through to the players, coaches and directors. Deal with it and support their collective efforts or find another club worthy of your so called support.

Really? Tame you're like the little kid at school sitting down the front with his hand up in the air. Please miss, please miss, Sundance Beast was rude and hasn't apologised miss. I got my Yellow card ( so did Wes btw) so stop your bleating.

Pity some of those 'fantastic supporters' who went to Doncaster can't end their self-defeating protest and come along to the home games. Add another 700 to the gate. Still better to put the cash in the tills at Donny than in the club you are supposed to support. Kind of makes their cheering on Saturday a tad vacuous if not ironic. Thank god we have such staunch support as yourself Wes, paying the full price and dealing with the hassle of having to buy tickets for games instead of paying upfront for a season ticket as you have done in the past and saving time and money. Nose face your off to cutting your spite - or words to that effect. Still going to football keeps you feeling young eh?

Baj, you make the rules to suit yourself. Its his column but as I assume you have some say over the content of the website you are condoning his post as a balanced article? I'm not sure Lowe would appreciate his efforts of trying to get the club back on track as 'playing with his trainset'. A few months ago you banned me from the previous forum because I was deluded according to your goodself if I deemed it as a democratic site for an exchange of views and as you owned the forum ultimately you had final say on who had access to post and who didn't. Hence my not exactly difficult decision to hand you a fiver. A newspaper regardless of it's political stance publishes every letter regardless of legibility and a degree of editorial licence is used to avoid defamatory comments or a view that is unhelpful to both sides of the argument. You understand that right?

Speaks volumes Nick. IMO the majority of posters on this forum actually want this club to fail simply because of a couple of suits who have actually done not a bad job of trying to avoid the abyss of administration. Unfortunately, the one thing then can't control is supporter apathy and hatred and no doubt the impending recession could easily have accounted for 2,000 off the average gate it does not explain why we are not at least getting 18,000. Newcastle fans and their hatred towards Ashley had a drop in attendance to 45,000 but still achieved 86% capacity despite all the idots on here who said they would get around 25k for Blackburn! We on the other hand can barely muster 15,000 for a home game and even allowing for the drop off in Plastics as we are no longer in the Premier a crowd of 24/25k should be achievable in comparison to our peer group and like Newcastle we are a one club city. We can only conclude 85% of Newcastle fans support their team no matter what goes on off the pitch Saints (based on a reasonable expectation of c.24k) can barely muster 60% and under 50% based on capacity. What a great bunch of so called supportes we have, makes you feel proud.

Editiorial may look professional but it pedals the usual unbalanced fare as this extract from the Chav in the Chapel proves: Rupert Lowe’s tactic of treating the club like a train set has evidently had a high cost in terms of fanbase confidence, and if the Doncaster result proves to be an exception rather than the rule then the nigh-on certain arrival of administrators will be something that he will have hastened Its not Lowe that will be responsible for taking the club into administration it will be the supporter's self-eroded fanbase and no doubt when we go into administration and start to slip out of the football league another 16,000 fans will crawl out of their holes and cry woe is me as we slip out of the football league in front of 32k crowd on teh last day of the season and still hoping for an investor. Truly laughable, as if anyone would want to invest a £100m+ into this club safe in the knowledge that 50% of its fickle fanbase will walk away at the first sign of a bad run. Unfortunately, this club is being destroyed by a fanbase that largely looks for reasons to knock the club and not attend the match than the hardcore who get behind the club through thick and thin. The doom mongers pencils were blunted following yesterday's victory and clearly the majority on here at leats want the club to lose and fail miserably so that they can cry 'I told you so'. Thankfully, IMO it just makes Lowe and his team more resolute and determined to continue with this potentially workable game plan but unfortunately it does rely on fan's support but clearly some so called supporterd would prefer administration and very serious failure. We are not Lehman Brothers who had a wealthy and reliable customer base and some talented and experienced staff on their books - so even in administration we are not going to be worth the $2 Barclays paid for Lehman. Nice to see this new website has set its stall out so early on choosing to blame Lowe for the dwindling attendances than the so called supporters who would probably walk away if a new investor turned upto a game inadvertently wearing a blue tie. This is not a website for the true Saints supporter its just a vehicle to provide a voice for damaging prejudice, embarrassing.

Can we get some perspective please. We are talking about Rudi Skacel probably one of the clubs most expensive failures in terms of transfer fee and wages. In my opinion he has returned a number of decent of performances that I can count on the fingers of one hand. The last thing this team needs is an expensive non-trier in its ranks and frankly BWP has looked more lively playing at LM than Skacel and although Surman has struggled at LB he is clearly a better option than Skacel who was supposed to be able to play in that position and was always being skinned down our left wing and around our box. Skacel failed with a supposedly superior (?) team and managers around him what makes you think he now has the profile to be a saviour? Surely, he failed to be a saviour for us by refusing an opportunity to go to Ipswich on less money but with a better opportunity to play more football. IMO that says more about his motivation to contribute to this club more than anything else. If he stays he should rot in the reserves and released from his contract. By then Ipswich and clubs like them won't offer him £600pw let alone £6k and how much do we pay him? IMO he have a case for legal action against him for not performing in accordance with his contract or perhaps targetting those who signed him under such exhorbitant terms for negligence. Don't get me started on Euell's terms if he is on the alledgeded contract of 18k pw. Jerks one and all, so lets get behind the current team and coaching staff and stop bemoaning about a player who had two years to prove his ability and didn't.

How about not claping or leaving silently just before the end. When you go to the cinema or theatre and don't enjoy the film or show you do you boo at the end?! Is supporting a football team - any team - primarily about entertainment or is it in fact something far more meaningful to the fans who have supported their team all their lives? Is it to many supporters more a way of life and to the plastic fan its about entertainment? Is that not why a boring 2-1 win will always take precedence over an exciting 0-0 on MOTD as the armchair fan and occassional plastic wants to be entertained or the dummy comes out and they start bleating.

Good for you Wes. Was it a case of 'I went on holiday to Thailand and on my way back I packed - a wife'? No one suitable your own age and residing in Southampton who you could charm? Must be your personality I guess. Tell me Wes what is the first thing people think when then see some old bloke walking around town with a lovely Asian wife? Doug and the rest, with respect lets not carried away with comparing Newcastle's home gate for a fixture in a cup that these days has about as much draw as a pre-season friendly. When they can only fill 45% of their ground's capacity for a home league game then we shall draw comparisons about them having less passionate fans than ourselves. You may hate and despise Lowe but its the stay away fans and their narrow minded and self-damaging actions that will take this club into administration. Lowe and Wilde are trying to save it and its the dummy spitting fans who are derailing it. Just get behind the team the alternative is not worth cotemplating and i'm amazed you can't see it or accept it, regardless of your personal views on Lowe/Wilde. Wes, I guess I'm off the Christmas card list.

Somebody wake me up when this excuse of a Saints supporter has finished. On every thread his posts read like a 'man' analysing what stocks he should put in his pension fund and whether they are ethical. Wes you are by far the most tedious and boring poster on this forum and if you want people to read or respond to what you have said (other than myself) then change your style. When was the last time your wife smiled?

Absolutely Bungle, but he is still one rung higher than the plank Pearson who is one rung off the bottom from those who decided to employ him. We may be in the bottom 3 but we've not been put there by JP after 12 games in charge and with only 2 games to get ourselves out of it. They were dark days lest we forget.

Therein lies the rub. Another post that talks about a takeover, just any takeover, no matter what the eventual consequences. If things are slightly desperate its partly because the fans have let them become like that. If we collectively had the passion of Newcastle fans and accetted our position but still turned up to support our team instead of complaining and staying away we may, just may, stay in control of our own destiny. BTW a lower Ebb would be Ebbsfleet. Can you imagine some of our wishful thinking fans have control of the tiller. Nothing personal SaintRobbie but your view is fairly representative of many others and I think it is promoting false and unrealistic hope. Support is the name of the game.

Wade you represent all that is wrong with our prejudice fanbase and just because Phil is based in Dubai you feel it allows you not worthy to debate his summary of the reality of the situation. How do we ensure future CEO's are not self-serving loathsome arseholes - most people at their level tend to be a bit like that as they are traits you need to fight your way to the top and be a success. Its called singlemindedness and every CEO in the world will show significant tendancies towards this trait, so as it doesn't fit your cuddly profile requirements we seem screwed. Fan the Flames, the point I'm making is that if banks can be allowed to fail in todays world then no one is going to miss some poorly supported football club apart from the 13,000 or so loyal supporters. Use it or lose it. BTW i don't have an anorak knowledge of crowd numbers but seem to remember Man City pulling in crowds in excess of 25,000 when they were relegated to the 3rd teir and Leeds' crowd numbers hold up quite well. For some reason given we are a one city club we are do have a very ardent supporter base just a bunch of ignorant whingers. Benji, your posts say more about you and the worthiness of your contributions than your attempt to assasinate my character. Its clear you lack a cerebal wit so no point wearing that flat cap to keep your tool of achingly funny cleverness, warm.

Toomer, shall we discuss semantics and let hyenas like Offix and others revel in their amusement and naiveity that whilst crowd levels continue at presumably below break even point they can all revel in the prospect of AFC Southampton. And why is that? Lowe and Wilde may be perceived as our Ashley and Wise like nemesis but unlike Newcastle fans it appears a high percentage of Southampton fans are happy to protest by staying away and thereby more than happy to start writing out the death certificate whilst others still try to administer first aid. Forumites can discuss and debate until they are blue in the face about the use of Youth, Total Football, The Dutch Duo, swapping places with Leicester, etc and analyse and dissect every decision by the directors but it will all be irrelevent unless they actually go along and do what football supporters are supposed to do. Years ago the demise of clubs such as Aldershot were rare but the fickle nature of the modern day football supporter, and ours seem up with the best, hardly makes them long term investement opportunities unless they are a very big club with a following of the likes of Newcastle and Man City and we are clearly not in their league. Believe it or not Toomer I have a healthy respect for you not least because you personally reflect the core values of being a supporter of Southampton FC and what it genuinely means to the hard core who still and always attend. We will never see eye to eye on most issues but we have more in common than you appreciate or even want! Offix I can't remember the last time I missed a home game and actually turned down a lucrative move to the US some years ago. When I sat down with my family to confirm the move I realise I could not give up my lifestyle of which Sainst FC did and still do play a big part. Clearly an easier decision for some and those most vociferous against the club's current efforts are those generally furthest away with the obvious exception of Tim Mumford.

Really? You must find Nicholas Lyndhurst and Celia Imrie cerebal wits. Lowe has missed the odd match but he clearly has the interests of the club closer to his heart than the missing 5 - 7,000 so called supporters who I can assume actually want the club to go into administration by staying away. Great plan, it'll get rid of Rupert Lowe and not to mention the league status of your local club as we swap places with Salisbury and look forward to regional games against Basingstoke and Oxford. Sometimes it doesn't matter how many points over the threshold you have you still won't always get the council house and that's a bit like kidding yourself this club will get an investor(s) of any worth. Only at Southampton, pity you can't protest like Newcastle fans and not actually damage beyond hope the club you supposedly support. The 13,000 hard core fans I salute you all but it does look like our plastic fanbase has curiously doubled.