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He specifically said 'This is an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used used by Germany in the 1930s'. Which he is spot on with, and specifically says language, i.e. the language used to label, demonise, scapegoat minorities so larger sections of society are encouraged to hate on these people. That is exactly what the Nazi's did with the Jews, it was rhetoric, language used to turn one section of society, against another, to focus their anger and blame. It's words like 'invasion', 'illegal', 'war' etc. Painting people coming to this country, the vast majority of which are genuine asylum seekers as a threat to British people. It's calling a spade a spade, and it should be highlighted, because ignoring these lessons from history is how history repeats as the war in Ukraine shows. Learning lessons from the past does not mean focusing on the extreme end points but how we got there in the first place, how it started, how it led to such horrific things. I don't really know why a fair comparison, because it is a fair comparison, however shocking people may think it is, it is deserving of that comparison, is unhelpful? If things are not called out for what they are, then how do you change people's minds and alert people of the seriousness?

He didn't specifically compare them to Nazis, when you use the word Nazi's people almost instantly jump to the war, concentration camps, the killings, SS etc. but of course that wasn't the reality of how they came to power and ramped up over the years their restrictions of freedoms, persecutions etc. I mean end of the day Hitler initially got enough votes to be voted chancellor. His point was more that this government is more and more drifting towards fascism with its policies. That is the balance isn't it. Anyone who wants the Tories gone, hopefully for generations, will probably welcome them stumble from bad policy to scandal to incompetence and revel in it. But that is a rather detached political look at the situation, ignoring that what they are doing is impacting people's lives, the human impact. I mean not only are they royally screwing up the country, the one we all live in, people's lives and it will probably take us 10+ years to recover it back to even like pre-2008 levels, but we know what hateful language, lies and this sort of rhetoric can do, you only have to look at events on Jan 6th, you only have to look at people attacking an immigration centre basically on facebook rumour. So yeh whilst I can be happy they are shooting themselves in the foot, that doesn't change that their talk alone is likely to have consequences for some very desperate people, and if they somehow implement this awful policy then it impacts those people very horribly. As I said earlier this proposed legislation, would classify a woman sex trafficked across the channel in a small boat not only as a criminal but instead of helping her and giving her shelter we are going to deport her.

I said that though, we'd be forced to sell them anyway staying up or going down, just going down makes re-signing a contract less likely but we didn't go down when Ings refused to sign a contract for example which basically forced our hand to cash in on him. Beyond any of those I don't think we will sell anyone we don't particularly want to, I don't think unless the bids are right someone like JWP or Lavia will go, again I look to other big names that relegated like Mitrovic and Sarr, stayed with their clubs. Lavia may want to go but unless a release clause is triggered I don't think we'll agree to sell him unless a big fee comes in and that then becomes more limiting, I mean we all talked through in the summer about JWP, when you start talking about the fees we would likely accept, then the number of clubs becomes very small and their priorities may be elsewhere. For example Chelsea have spent a fortune, have loads of midfielders and likely will be restricted more by lack of champs league. They may have been sniffing around Lavia at £50 million plus, but since spent like £250 million in Jan including £100 million on a player who basically plays a similar position. Liverpool need midfielders, but one will they have the cash, and would their fans accept spending £40-50 million on a guy with one PL season where he got relegated, probably not and that is why they are more courting players like Bellingham. Man City have this fine/punishment thing hanging over him and it would be odd for them to sell him for £10 million and by him back for £40 million one season later even if the buy back is activated now. Reports of Spurs wanting JWP, but again I can't see our valuation dropping even with relegation so are they going to stump up the £50-60 million? Clubs across Europe unless the elite of the elite just don't have the cash and I can't see Bayern or Real or Barca etc. going for any of our players. Also like you say, unless the club have been very stupid, we should have relegation clauses on wages, which together with the richer owner, financial stability, and parachute payments should mean there is no immediate need to sell assets. Even more so if we sell a few unwanted squad players which will have to happen to trim that squad down anyway as its too big (and seemingly some players have basically pissed people at the club off with their below par performances). Plus selling Salisu and KWP if they don't sign new contracts, should still net us £30-40 million alone. I could easily see us selling £50-60 million worth of players but still keeping most of the core of the squad.

We don't have a shortage of land, that is nonsense, there are huge swathes of the country that are barely populated. The housing shortage is down to a multitude of reasons, poor planning laws and terrible planning systems generally, lack of building affordable houses, people buying up houses to rent out, foreign investors buying homes, particularly in London and then not living in them, holiday homes, old people in homes far too big for them etc. etc. And of course it completely varies across the country, with an obvious north/south divide and issues in and around London. All of which could be dealt with policies to tackle those issues, you know actual problems the government should be dealing with, like better rail links and transport links (plus broadband) so people don't all have to work in the same place, better investment in rural communities, better investment in norther infrastructure and businesses so people don't want to all flock south. Better more sensible planning laws, more money for social housing etc. etc. Instead of making a silly fuss about 40-50k people on small boats who are not causing housing shortgages. Oh and by the way lots of building projects are struggling because workforce problems and workforce problems in their supply chain, which can be solved by guess what? Immigration. Also how is 'not vilifying and criminalising desperate people seeking asylum' the same as 'let's have no borders', what a nonsense strawman argument. No one is suggesting open borders with no controls, completely uncontrolled immigration, but there is a big leap between that and criminalising people because they cross the channel on small boats and acting as if those tiny amount of people are somehow a massive problem in the country when anyone with a basic grasp of facts knows this not to be the case and this 'problem' is tiny compared to the other issues the country is dealing with. They also know that the ONLY reason this government is making a fuss about this and making it a big thing is because they have royally mucked this up and want to distract people and use the refugees as scapegoats for their mess. Lineker linking it to 1930s Germany is apt, he's spot on, anyone who knows their history knows the Nazi's initially got power democratically and did things within the framework of laws in Germany and people looked the other way. Not only that but its hardly the only fascist alarm bell they have been ringing, I mean their constant attempts to silence anyone that criticises them also very much fits the mould, they have been trying to shut down Lineker for ages, there was the reaction to Joe Lyceett as well, and their constant attempts to shut down Channel 4, threaten the licence fee. Plus they have been infiltrating the BBC with ex-tories to ensure not one ounce of criticism comes out of that place, the BBC falls over backwards to be 'impartial' that is allows literal lies from the government and right wing commentators to go unchallenged. I mean Kuinsberg or whatever her name is, when the SNP leader said Boris Johnson was a liar, which is an undeniable fact, literally responded by saying that is quite an accusation. Joe Lycett, a comedian, literally had to do her job for her and then got attacked by the right wing and serving government ministers for it, as Lineker is now, for expressing an opinion, an opinion that is right and most people agreed with, with many more agreeing that certainly he should be free to say it. Then you have anti-protest bill as well, and the likely bonfire of regulations that will erode many human rights protections and laws we have, so this government is doing multiple attacks on freedoms, freedom of protest, freedom of speech, whilst trying to basically censor and cojule the national broadcaster to basically peddle their propaganda. Sounds a lot like 1930s Germany to me, so in my opinion is reaction was spot on and we need people speaking out against stuff like this, especially prominent people with followings (which is why the Tories hate him and twitter so much, they can't control it and spout propaganda like the Daily Mail does). As immigration being an important issue, if you look at most polls on 'Important issues facing the country' or similarly worded, then its polled at around 16-30% for most of the last 5 years. Its importance as an issue has dropped considerably since the 2016 Brexit vote, where it was hyped up massively by the leave campaign, ironically even though immigration has gone up since we lost EU freedom of movement. Since then it falls way below other issues, I've seen polls where it's like 7th/8th most important issues, and YouGov for example has only 29% of people having it amongst their top 3 issues facing the country right now, marginally ahead of the environment on 22% (which is a way more important issue and should be way more talked about) but way behind heath and the economy, both of which are around 60% right now. Even among Conservative voters, only 1 in 2 have it amongst their top 3 issues. Also young people don't give a crap about it, it polls 12% for 18-24s and only 20% for people 24 -49, surprising no one polling the highest in the over 65s, people who are dying out. An ONS survey done end of last year, only 6% of adults responded that immigration was the important issue facing the UK today, 6%, it was below the cost of living (48%), the Economy (15%), Environment (11%), The NHS (10%). So it's not that important an issue, certainly won't be for swing voters, and even then all it doing is basically highlighting that the Tories made a mess of it. I can't see it being an important or election swaying issue, unless something dramatically changes. It's just all they have, they are desperate and out of ideas so are just re-hashing plays from the Tory playbook.

That is such a deflecting answer, it clearly shows you can't argue with the figures. If there are ones 'not known about' as you claim then why are they not doing something about that? if that was a genuine problem then that surely needs fixing more than the boats which represent a relatively small amount of our immigration, are mainly asylum seekers (despite the claims they are illegal economic migrants) and most of them get their asylum claims approved. Simple fact is there is no 'invasion', we are not 'full up', immigration is not 'out of control', 100s or million or 'billions' are not coming here, the rhetoric around this 'issue' is basically pure lies. There are much more sensible solutions to easing the problem, small as it is, than vilifying the people on the boats. Based on the numbers (~50k crossing in boats, around 80-90% asylum claims approved) we are talking single figure thousands of people here, all this attention, all this apparent problem that the country is so concerned about, the whole government policy being focused on right now, is for about as many people that could fit into one end of St Marys. This is nothing more than a political stunt, using desperate people, who are in fact do nothing wrong, as red meat to stir up racists, and treating them as basically criminals whilst literally going against 70 years of refugee and human rights laws. These proposals are so bad, as the SNP leader pointed out, that they will make women sex trafficked into the UK on those boats against their will, criminals not victims.

Someone like that will always vote Tory anyway, it's not going to work IMO and it's pretty desperate, also considering they are fixing a 'mess' that they have been in charge off and pretty much Labour and all the media outlets are pointing this out. Most people don't particularly care about immigration, it is a minority issue at its peak, in times of economic issues it becomes very low priority for most of the electorate. Not many swing voters are going to be swayed by this policy, it also doesn't work with Tory heartland places which is one of the places they are failing the biggest, rural communities are being screwed by the issues happening to farmers and the economy, they don't give a flying monkeys about small boats, likely most of them will welcome some migrants to come in and work in the fields. Your richer tory voters also don't care about immigration, they are more concerned around investments and taxes, of which investments are currently low and taxes are high so they are struggling there as well. Also this won't even come in, it is pretty much illegal. You can't deport genuine asylum seekers and something like 80% of asylum applications are approved anyway, and they are trying to fast track them, so likely that percentage will go up. All this policy shows is how desperate and out of ideas they are. The Tory party since 2016 has basically 3 go to areas to try to convince people to vote for them, Brexit, Corbyn and immigration. Brexit is now essentially done, and is a clear failure (with most of the country now regretting it) so they can't campaign on that. Despite their best efforts of trying to drag him into the conversation Corbyn barely exists as part of the Labour party and immigration is not only a low priority area for swing voters generally and even more so in times of economic difficulty, they have been in charge of it for 13 years and it was supposed to get even more in control since Brexit, so its a stupid strategy, by highlighting it you are basically reminding people of the mess they have made of it.

It's not 500k, it hasn't been 500k any year, net migration even at it's highest is like 350k, the average over the last 10 years is around 220 - 250k and most of that is approved, we gave over 300k work visas to non-EUs in 2022 alone and nearly 500k student visas. It's only peaked this year because we specifically took in Ukrainians and people from Hong Kong, with special visa systems applied. Also the Tories have killed an extra 330k people in recent years due to their austerity policies and there were a huge amount of excess deaths due to their mismanagement of COVID, again in the hundreds of thousands. Population growth is 0.34% and that includes net migration, how the hell are 'full up' on no metric does that assessment make any sense. 45k crossed the channel on boats last year and people applying for Asylum was 89k last year. 89k, how is that 'filling up' the country exactly? And some of those will be deported.

Braverman literally said 'Billions' want to come here, billions, so like one quarter of the entire world's population apparently want to come to a tiny country in the north of Europe, that is cold, wet and has been run into the ground, yeh I don't think so. The arrogance alone on that quote is staggering, again pretending the country is so great, whilst at the same time pretending the country has a load of problems caused by immigrants. Just baffling levels of gaslighting going on. The ignorance from people on this issue though just makes me so angry, so much just flat out wrongness spouted. 1. Immigration to most countries is a net gain, studies have shown that immigrants tend to cause less crime, use less services and pay more in taxes than native populations. 2. We literally have a labour shortage, many industries are crying out for more workers, we huge skill gaps as well, and many of these asylum seekers could fill gaps. I've seen interviews with people stuck in limbo in the asylum system, living in hotels, and these people were like teachers, engineers, nurses etc. So it makes a mockery of the 'these are economic migrants not refugees' argument that is typically banded about, we need more workers and what is an economic migrant if not some who want to come and work! 3. This 'economic migrants' argument is based on mainly the Albanians, whilst ignoring that the vast majority coming across are coming from actual war-torn place or places with awful regimes (particularly places we have fucked up through our interventions) like Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Syria etc. Afghanistan where people working with the British army were left to fend on their own and at mercy of the taliban, but hey we rescued some dogs! 4. The 'France is a safe country' stupid argument. There is nothing in international law on refugees (which we not only signed up to but helped shape post-WW2 and in the forming of the UN, back when even right wing politicians had some decency about them) that says they have to stop in the first 'safe' country and nor should they, factors lack language and family will have a big impact of where refugees and asylum seekers go. People who may speak English or some English or have family here will of course try to re-start their lives here rather in a random country where they don't speak the language or have any support network. These are people with absolutely nothing to their names in many cases, but apparently it is fine to force them to settle in France or Germany, even if they speak English and have family here... 5. Then there is the fact that most European countries take in more asylum seekers than us, quite large amounts more, iirc both Italy and Spain take in many more than us, despite us being more wealthy than those countries. 6. The 'we are full up' nonsense argument, because yeh a country of 67 million people is going to get tipped over the edge by 100k migrants somehow. Those waiting lists, lack of services etc. all over the country are down to a small handful of people crossing the channel on boats, yeh that must be it, not the years of tory mismanagement, stupid austerity policies, stealth privatisation, lack of staff, none of that has crippled the NHS, nah its the immigrants. 7. The 'illegal' immigrant tag, when asylum seekers and refugees by law are allowed to apply for asylum however they enter the country, thus they cannot be 'illegal'. And the fact that safe and legal ports of entry just don't exist, 'legal' routes of asylum that we do have are restricted and caveated because in reality the Tories don't want anyone coming here and it is easier to vilify these people if they come across in small boats, rather than them being allowed to come via trains, ferries, planes etc. and have proper systems for applying for asylum. It is just disgusting they are trying this again and even more disgusting some people buy into it. The real sad thing is that if they actually fixed the system (processing applications better, clearing the back log, safe routes for asylum, tackling the gangs etc. etc.) then they wouldn't be able to use it for their divide and conqueror, distract from the real problems strategy.

I'd be surprised if we were forced to sell anyone to be honest, might be some relegation release clauses that get triggered but not sure if they will have them. People seem to think that relegated teams have this mass clear out and get picked clean of any good players but looking at other teams this doesn't seem to happen. I mean Mitrovic would be our best striker if he was at our club, but he got relegated with Fulham twice and is still there. Norwich still have people like Aarons and Pukki, Watford still have Sarr, the main issue comes with people with contracts running down are less likely to re-sign, but even staying in the league there is no guarantee of that anyway (Ings for example). I'd expect most of the people who were signed last year or this Jan to still be here next season, unless the club decides they do not want them. Maybe someone like Lavia will go, but he won't be cheap (again unless release clause) so that may put clubs off, same with JWP, still has 4 years on a contract IIRC, we wouldn't sell cheap and I also think he is the type of player who would probably give it a season to see if we bounce back. Salisu is probably one because of the contract issue. All the new guys will have 3,4, even 5 years on their contracts so won't go cheaply and that seems to put other clubs off. What we do have is a squad that is probably too big now, like 30 senior players and likely in the Championship we would want to give chances to more youngsters, and from what Selles has been saying about some players needing to 'step up', and then the terrible performance against Grimsby, some of those players who now don't play for the rest of the season are likely to be culled.

Exactly, as did 4-4-2 when it first came along, moving away from the W-M type formations of the day. Or for example how Hungary humiliated England in the 50s, through their more complete team orientated style, compared to the more individualistic approach England was using at the time, which iirc prompted changes in the English game. Going all the way back to like pre 1900s English football was Rugby influenced, it was like a pack moving across the pitch behind the ball and the Scots came in and introduced a more passing, positional based game that completely changed the sport. Tactics, statistics, sports science, footballing philosophies, styles, none of this is particularly new in football it's just with the internet and television we have access to far more materials about it. A coach in the 60s or 70s taking down stats would have been doing it himself for his team and coaches, probably on pieces of paper, rarely to be seen by anyone else. Now we have systems and companies that do this and freely share the information and we can access it through all these different types of media, plus there is more TV coverage of games, more cameras etc. to pick all this stuff up that wasn't present back in the day, but doesn't mean people were not doing it or that is wasn't important to football then. Passionate, clever people, when they apply themselves to something will create innovation and change.

100%, those that voted for them. In the last 6 years it's mainly Brexit voters that should take responsibility, not only for inflicting that self harm on the country in the first place but because the only reason Boris won in 2019 is a huge amount of people put Brexit above everything else, which led to traditional Labour areas voting for Tories. I remember the guy from Sunderland who phoned into a local radio show basically breaking down into tears because he was so baffled the people in his town had elected a Tory MP. Also if Labour had found someone less divisive than Corbyn to lead them in 2017 we would have got rid of the Tories then as well, May only managed to form a government with the awful DUP so it wouldn't have taken much more to tip towards a Labour win or at least a coalition, but Corbyn was such an easy figure for the Tories to score points on. I mean they are still using him now, he is still a go to attack for them. --------------------------------------------------- Also Sunak had no credibility for me, he was a Brexit true believer, and anyone stupid enough to think Brexit was a good idea, especially someone who had worked in finance and was already in the government with all that information, cannot be credible.

No you don't because if you did you'd appreciate it. This whole thread is just a giant pair of nostalgia goggles, it's just confirmation bias, you are all just basically doing the 'in my day' cliche. And honestly saying football never had tactical battles is the biggest load of nonsense, there have been tactical revolutions, clashes of style, tactical innovation, throughout the history of football how the hell do you think things like Total Football and Catenaccio came about? Those are like 50 years old or more. Statistical analysis of the game was also first done in like the 1970s, same with sports science. All this stuff that people claim is 'modern football' has been around for decades and decades.

Turkey has taken in over 5 million refugees, 5 million ffs, yet we have 30-40k come in via boats and act like it's an invasion. The richest countries in the world take in far less refugees than most of the poor ones and we take in far far less compared to most of Europe, considerably less than France, Spain and Germany for example. Red meat to the racists, thing is I don't think it's particularly landing anymore, it works for the rabid base but they are a small minority that is shrinking. People are more concerned about the cost of living, inflation, their wages etc. not desperate people coming across on boats that we are supposed to hate for some reason. Interesting that they are all attacking Gary Lineker, how dare he have an opinion that criticises the government. Ironically whilst he is comparing their asylum policy to 1930s Germany, they want to silence him from criticising the government, also much like 1930s Germany. It's going to be 15 years of Tory government by the time we finally get to oust them in an election and honestly this has to be one of the worst government periods in the history of this country, they have set us back like 25 years, everything is worse, GDP is down, exports are down, cost of living is sky high, wages have been suppressed to all time low levels, waiting lists are through the roof, ambulance response times are the worse ever, the courts are backlogged, there are food shortages, labour shortages, crime is rising, the police, particularly the met are stumbling from scandal to scandal. The 'Great' in Great Britain is becoming ever more ironic, we are like those sad sacks on social media who go around telling everyone how cool they are, when everyone knows if you have to tell everyone you are cool then clearly you are not.

All the people complaining about XG, transitions, stats etc. just sound like grumpy old men shouting at something they don't understand. That aspect of the modern game is one of the few aspects of modern football that is actually good and interesting IMO, the increased technique and brilliance of players, the tactical battle between sound managers, the heavy metal in your face style of pressing teams clashing against other philosophies. VAR is also fine, it's the application of it in this country that is bad. It was shown in the World Cup that it can be used correctly to get more decision right and correctly. But the rest is just greed and capitalism, it sucks the life out of everything eventually, because for certain people it is never enough, they always want more and more. Football is a just a small example of what is happening in larger society. We have more billionaires than ever before in the world, yet more and more people in poverty, all the social media crap essentially comes down to people wanting to make money and be famous at all costs. Isn't every PL owner now a billionaire? You have people earning £100k a week for kicking a ball around, whilst struggling families who many don't earn half that in a year, are expected to pay hundreds to go watch them. Horrible dictatorships owning clubs for sportswashing, FIFA being corrupt as ever and World Cups being bought, owner and regulators of the game being more concerned about the 'fans' thousands of miles away rather than the ones living 10 minutes from the stadium, teams sponsored by betting companies so more money can be conned out of ordinary people. There are so many Americans involved now in English football we can't be that far away from franchises and drafts IMO.

Yeh a sad 'what if' signing, 23 in 34 this season, with 7 in the Champs league, World Cup hattrick as well. Looks a complete all round striker as well, drops deep to link up play, can hold it up, passes well. At least is shows our scouting is on point as he wasn't prolific last season but clearly they saw he had all the tools.

Their 'reaction' game will be against Betis anyway, if they get something or beat them, or even keep it close it could help us. They then might need to rotate to be fresh for the return leg and hopefully their confidence is still down a bit. Honestly a point would be amazing. Hope we don't try and just sit back defend deep, that rarely works for us.

The knee slide is such a dumb celebration, the most delicate and under strain are of a pro footballer’s body is the knees and players jump on them and try to slide. It’s baffling that it’s not flat out banned by every pro club. The annoying thing as well is I see all the kids copying it as well

We are kind of bad against everyone this season, but historically we have always struggled more against defensive sit back teams rather than teams that try to attack us, even more so in the Ralph pressing era which we have gone gone back to under Selles. We struggle to create goals on our own, its always more been about creating chaos in the opposition that has created us chances and won us games. So honestly going back to our core pressing principles which Selles seems to be doing, then we will be doing better against your Brightons, Chelseas, Villas, Fulhams, Leicesters etc. than we will against a Dyche Everton team or Bournemouth or Brentford etc.

Kind of the point I made in the match thread, yes we are crap, but honestly when you look at that Man Utd team being 3rd in the league, being beaten like that by a Liverpool team that have been very poor most of the season. Then you look at Spurs who are somehow 4th, losing to a bad Wolves team at the weekend, having countless bad performances, it shows the quality of the league is not good this season. I mean just think how bad we have been, we lost what 7 out of 8 in the league under Jones, yet we are two wins away from 12th. Yeh we are crap, but most of the league is not better and no one seems to be getting much consistency of performances together, even Man City have dropped below their usual high standards and Arsenal needed a 97th minute long range shot to beaten 2nd bottom Bournemouth at home. And yeh the Liverpool media fawning has started again, they have one good result and they are suddenly back. Arsenal have been a breath of fresh air this year, a young team playing good football, challenging for the title, haven't done it by just spanking money at everything, they have youth academy prospects in the team and have built the team up backing a manager patiently over like 3 years. Yet all the media talk is constantly about either Liverpool failing or then being re-born, or Man Utd returning to the top. They are all so desperate for those two clubs to be the top dogs, it's shameful. I hope Liverpool do miss out on top 4 this season, even if they are replaced by Saudi Arabia FC, it would good to have them back to their mid 90s relative doldrums of battling for like 4th to 7th, just to see the absurd whinging from their annoying fanbase.

I think forest win just because it would be funny for Everton to go down IMO, plus keeps that 5 very close together, we only need to get ahead of 3 of the 5, Forest 4 points ahead with a game in hand on us. Whereas if Everton lose they'd be on the same points as us but will have played a game more after today. Shame Spurs were Spursy and let Wolves win, they'd be on 24 points having played a game than everyone else in the bottom 5.

I think he shows the benefit of coming in fresh and being confident in his own abilities, not drowned in the insecurities of the rest of the squad. No idea what has happened to Orsic though, the guy that was terrorising defences across Europe, including some PL teams, for Zagreb and yet barely gets a look in, what has he done.

The entire bottom 8 is crap, so I think people are being too critical. This is a team that has been awful most of the year, lost 7 out of 8 in the league under a crazy manager, is on their third manager of the season, confidence, form, fluidity, better football etc. will only come with some more results on the board, they are getting some results on the board. We only have to be slightly less crap than 3 other teams and if we can put some results together, even if we have to grind them out and a get a bit lucky, then we have a chance. I mean hell Spurs have looked crap a lot of times this season but are somehow fourth so again think people over estimating how good the other teams are, whilst being down on ours. Plus how many times have a Wolves or Burnley or similar come to SMS in recent seasons, played like crap, we've missed a few chances, they score one lucky goal or get some lucky refereeing and we lose? feel like we deserve a win like that today. Plus we also missed a penalty today and still won, so could have been more comfortable. and if Leicester can't get their shots on target that is on them As Selles said, performance could be better but the fight and commitment was there, they were trying to play on the front foot and we produced some moments of quality. Get the confidence up and we will improve.

Yeh I wondered that, surely an Iphone could get a better video quality than that and some of those videos are from the dome at the training ground aren't they? Saying that the England U15 picture quality seems even worse. Maybe these are unofficial videos as there might be some rules about sharing videos of under 16s. Interesting that he seems to have come late into the academy set up from Sunday League, maybe was focused on athletics before that? but seems to have very good close control for someone not coming through the academy route, seeing as many of the guys he'd be facing there would have been with academies since they were 7/8.

Yeh there have probably been better free kick takers in history, Juninho Pernambucano being probably the clear one. There probably isn't better than JWP in the modern era or certainly in the last 20 years. If he'd played for a top team over this period that obviously creates more chances, has more possession etc. he'd easily have over 30 free kick goals by now. The only reason Messi has scored more is the teams he's played for, statistically he's a worst taker despite being an excellent player overall and still very good at freekicks. I think some English recency bias by Owen there but no idea what Given is talking about, Nobby Salano and Zola? they come nowhere near.

Always good to see Liverpool get smashed, my word Modric what a player he is, 37, driving through the Liverpool midfield like they weren't there. Vini Jnr also a very scary player, all the talk of Haaland and Mbappe taking the Messi and Ronaldo crown, but I think this guy is right up there with them.