Lord Duckhunter

Gambling debts and bookmakers owing you money used to be debts of honour, so were unenforceable by law. I’m not sure if they still are, as it’s not so shady nowadays.

From what I can see. The fight back involves continuing to moan about the punishment, banging on that it’s only the last 72 hours that’s the problem, reminding everyone it’s legal in a different country, and keeping the bloke whose direct actions have led to us being 4 points behind everyone else before a ball has been kicked.

Give them a points deduction.

It what way was it over the top? The lack of understanding is incredible. The play offs were ruled to be a separate competition, once the first leg was played there was absolutely no other realistic sporting sanction available.

Dear god, what a Karen. So the punishment for cheating in a play off game worth £200 million is……. A fine, and a suspended points deduction. That’ll definitely stop anyone else from doing it 🤣🤣

I think rule B15 will be used,similar to the way Leeds got done. If people think Premier league clubs can go round streaming opponents tactical shape, set piece drills and other stuff before matches, and not get any sanction, they need to give their head a wobble. “In all matters and transactions relating to the League each Club, Official and Director shall behave towards each other Club, Official and Director and the League with the utmost good faith."

There’s zero chance we were going down once we got Larin, Bree back & Peretz zero. Even if you believe Tonda is the only man who could have got us into the play offs, we’re still 4 points worse off next season because of decisions he made. This wasn’t some tactical mistake or bad signing. It’s was a complete and utter balls up, which has resulted in a loss of revenue, standing in the game, and probably one or 2 players we may have been able to keep hold of (had we lost to Hull). He’s probably cost us sponsorship deals and season ticket revenue as well. I’ve seen nothing which suggests this goes higher than Tonda, but until there’s evidence it did, he needs to pay the ultimate price.

Because of his actions, a decent side will be broken up, we lost the chance of promotion & could face further charges & scrutiny. It’s unbelievable people think he should keep his job after that monumental mistake. Unlike Bielsa he didn’t take accountability for this from the off. It looks like he lied by pretending he thought it wasn’t illegal. Why did he think Salt objected to doing it against Ipswich, because he had a haircut that day he didn’t want to miss?

Thomas Frank

Had he even said anything, maybe an apology is in order. I thought he wanted to discuss this, but was unable to. Well now’s the fucking time. Even if he’s being advised by lawyers, surely some kind of statement to the supporters is in order.

I thought I was head over heart on this, wanting Middlesbrough to win as I think they’ll be better than Hull next season. However that soon changed when I heard the actual result, was actually more pleased than I thought I’d be. We’ve gone away for a few days & I was drinking with some northerners last night, mainly Liverpudlians of both persuasion and a random Blackpool supporter. Every one of them was pleased it was Hull, but what surprised me was how little they knew about it, apart from one Evertonian the rest really hadn’t paid any attention to the whole thing. The bloke who had paid attention was a bit of an anorak, he seemed to know every Saints Everton game going back to the 70’s. Anyway he made a point I thought was worth sharing. Whilst the Premier League don’t have a spying rule, they do have the “utmost good faith” catch all rule. He said if we’d been doing it in the Preimer League, they would have had us on this. As he pointed out, just because there isn’t a specific rule, doesn’t mean clubs can fly drones or any other sneaky ways to watch training. He made the point that this rule gives both sides a bit of wiggle room around punishment which the EFL one doesn’t. You have either broke the rule or you haven’t , there’s no grey area the “good faith” rule gives you

I think we need to make a big statement similar to when we took Pardew in league 1. He wasn’t one of my favourite blokes, but he was a Premier league manger. It made a statement and I’m sure it made players mind up if they doubted we were determined to get back up. Maybe Dyche isn’t ideal, but he’s got contacts with agents and other managers (important in the loan market), he’s got a reputation in the game and would send out a statement we’re not mincing about with hipsters. He won’t be affected by any outside pony and will buy right into the “let’s show the bastards”. This time round the job is for a man, not a fucking laptop merchant. This is going to be a tough league next season, with West Ham or Spurs, Sheffield Utd & Norwich won’t be as pony as they were this year, Middlesbrough (if they lose today) will be tough, Wolves & Burnley aremt going to do a Leicester. We can’t spend 5 or 6 games with a manager coming to terms with the league.

Good point 👍

That’s a shame, SAF was my choice to replace Tonda

I wouldn’t, she’s a 2 Pinter, so I show some respect