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Crikey, I thought you were talking about me! I do have a very unfortunate story about my distant relative Joseph however.

Who signed the Maastrict treaty Lord Duckhunter? So essentially the tories will be wrestling with an issue of their own creation.

The problem is that it wasn't particularly professional now was it? Why answer a question like that in such a goading manner?.....keeping it civil would have been the best course of action and not come off as a stereotype.

I think the person asking the question was being a bit rhetorical but it was certainly a very childish response. Lord Duckhunter, doesn't it depend on your definition of right wing? I mean a very militant, nationalistic party that (I don't know how) hates the English more than the SNP could be described as "right-wing" and if one of those got into power...

Lord Duckhunter, the Scottish voter has been rejecting the conservative party since 1960; the last time it won a majority was in 1955 and since 1997 it's only had one of two seats. How in the name of satan's ikea sofa do you think that is ever going to happen? Honestly, they could have a disaster and I do not honestly think they would turn to the unionist/conservative party. highly apt this but... :mcinnes::mcinnes:

So did I. In the sense that he's gone off and just fired someone without following procedure. I'll give you an example, I once accidently gave some items at a collection point to the wrong person and they promptly ran off with the items costing the company about a hundred pounds. My department manager wanted to...well, I wouldn't like to speculate but after speaking to the store manager it was agreed that there was a procedure in place and that, in my case, I had explained before being employed that because of my many head operations my memory wasn't brilliant so putting me in such a position on my own where I could forget could be problematic, legal-wise, if someone were to, as it's suggested in this case just go off on one and fire me. So they had to have checked the statutes and such beforehand and I think it would be unusual if they didn't.

Worried about the homeless because of all these cuts? I think we should all stop being bad losers.... https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/11143363_10152870888356305_1882647547552255093_n.jpg?oh=36ea0ea5ed2ec149553f175de0f0a08a&oe=55D4D485

The retailer I worked for was often up and down as far as end of day till results go and I'd say to specifically accuse one person would be unusual unless they believed it was concrete and had happened on a couple of occasions with the same person. But even if this store manager did go rouge as Coxford_lou put's it, you can bet that this would be his story and if challenged would make darn sure he had witnesses to back him up. So I think it would be tricky.....maybe not impossible, but hard work, to contest this one.

I know an employment lawyer very well (unfortunately, he's in the states) but what he always says is that when a company makes a decision like this (particularly big ones). They tend to make sure they are aware of their own legal guidelines and will have checked to make sure they are allowed to perform such actions. Either way, he would have had to file the report for the dismissal and you'd think the reasons could be easy to list if the employee is on a trial period. In fact, if it's a trial period, most companies will have the right of dismissal for most reason let alone this which could be construed as gross misconduct.

But the problem I have with this is that pretty much the basis for the international court of human rights IS that bill and we can't simply walk away from the rest of the world and say we don't agree to what they say; we'll look like a pariah state.

But we already have one of those :s http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Rights_1689

You are aware a lot of Nazi policies were based on traditional UK conservative policies at the time right? Maybe mentioning them in this context is not appropriate; if you ask me for evidence I will give you a reading list. Either way, I stumbled upon this charming MORI Poll which is mostly interesting (he ruins it with the last point) especially when watching these programs like Benefit street or Saints and scroungers... https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3188/Perceptions-are-not-reality-the-top-10-we-get-wrong.aspx

That would adhere to Tony Blair's arguement that the voter defaulted to the conservatives as opposed to actively seeking them out.

Ahhhh! I've got it! so slaughtering the Lib Dems was a very shrewd way of ensuring that would have been their only choice!...Rupert Murdoch is a genius!

Shhh......in this island of red (Southampton) in a sea of blue facts like that just get in the way!

You know, this is sounding very much like the "New Forest derby"! I agree that it's for them to lose and that they're clearly not thinking straight. I don't know, I'd just not prefer squabbles like where we're gonna put the nukes, north sea oild and such.

All I'm saying is that we can't fight their xenophobia with our own. We've just got to show them that we'd welcome them into something like a federation. I just think if we continue rhetoric like that we all lose.

I do have a lot of family beyond the border and whilst a few dislike Salmond and his politics, even they, who I would consider more conservative Scots feel it's time to break away. Let alone the rest who go to rallies attended by thousands calling for a break so if I balanced the two I'd say the feelings I mentioned are pervasive. Don't forget all the history they have of the clearances and stuff brought about by conservative governments and whilst Labour got kicked out in this election so did the Tories in the previous one. I'm also looking at the historic precedence of a majority Scottish ex-patriot community being very quick indeed to call something like UDI as soon as they reach a disagreement with what the view as an over-arching Westminster (this would be the Smith and UDI example, but they were mostly Scots). I could probably dig up some newspaper clippings of such polls too but since this isn't an academic thesis, I don't see the need to justify my opinions in this way.

Well I think trying to throw away vestiges of empire like she did would certainly smack of maybe slightly more than centre left. But that was Claire Short as foreign minister I believe. I assume she had to get the ok from Blair on it but I wouldn't say that he was in any way further left than to the centre.

Would you please stop being so bleedin pedantic. If I asked for figures from you for every claim you made. Isn't the fact that the SNP won all but one or two seats up there enough for you to give you a slight clue that they despise the centre right parties and their politics

Did I say the world would end? It's going to be very tricky dealing with them now though. Let's not play this down as a tiny change. A lot of em up there were deeply offended that one mention of the SNP made a lot of voters down here run to the tories.

Claire Short has a lot to answer for. It was her that informed Robert Mugabe that the country were changing the rules of the "willing buyer, willing seller" land sale in Zimbabwe since her family were Irish and she felt no need to subsidise such sales any more and this pretty much kicked off the Robert Mugabe reappearing as he once did to the whites up until the Lancaster House agreement in 1980 arghh.

I mean, I have a few Scottish relatives and they've told me that it just appears to be a great big "we f cking hate you too" by electing the Tories back in (a party essentially the whole country loathes). And with the majority the SNP now have, one would think they can pretty much call the shots up there. I don't know if it would be a major surprise if they started calling for a UDI.

But don't you think that will polarise the Scots into wanting to go it alone even more? Essentially breaking up the union? I mean, I'm just worried that we've shown the xenophobic Scots that we too can be just as xenophobic as them?

I think people realise that badgerx16 and as far as me being a bleating leftie. I'm sad to say at the election before I voted conservative because Brown was a shambles. I think I've made my reasoning clear on the other "10 year" thread that view from the top put up. I just do not understand the mentality that if we have to make cuts, why we have to start at the bottom, it's not particularly fair is it?