Hockey_saint

No, they are policy. But that is an excellent link. Thank you very much...But as you say, if it was shown to prove me wrong in any way....must try harder. I know exactly how the examination goes for the new PIP and it is highly inappropriate and as Boris says, it's a cost saving issue as opposed to helping people. So, call me a loony leftie but I'm not fond of politicians who put money before the well being of people.

How many do you want Wes Tender? I've given you a few, the link with Boris Johnsson complaining about the random 20% removal of people from DLA, the removal of virtually everyone from the new replacement for DLA, PIP mobility element. The removal of the independent living fund for the severely disabled which means they are going to become effective prisoners in their own home and quite a few others...You are aware this has to be ok'd by the prime minister right? Shall we not even mention the persecution in the (mostly Murdoch) press of the disabled as "workshy" or "feckless". Also, Lord Duckhunter, if you're going to wave around lines with the insult "you lefties" as if it's a bad thing then you are not coming across as a current or even former labour voter you are just coming across as another right wing one.

You won't you know, people will rise up when they realise how awful you are or...like last time, you return to high taxation....something you accused labour of. Also, yes, you can pull this "it must be leftie nonsense" but when you bring in someone with the track record of that Disability "spokesman" then you kinda think someone's extracting the urine out of us ALL. I could call you cruel and heartless but then you are dug so far down in doctrine that you'd never believe it any how. Either way, I believe what politically neutral organisations like churches and charities (you know, those organisations on the ground) say as opposed to Thatcher wannabees. It's just a shame Michael Hessletine's hard work in removing the mad woman seem to have been forgotten.

You are aware us lefties have been like this since wayyyyy before the election right? The churches, most of the country's charities have been saying this for a number of years. I have no wish to regurgitate the election results and why the tories won but the fact of the matter is, is that this isn't sour grapes at all. This is news that has been there for a number of years. Nice one this from the Huff post though! http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/05/13/justin-tomlinson-disabled-child-benefits-cancer-patients-bedroom-tax_n_7272956.html (Equalities minister who was recorded as saying she was against gay marrige, Justice minister who advocated hangings, an employement minister who wanted capital punishment re-introduced....as someone articulated on facebook "f3ck me it's like the league of super villans").

I prefer to call it being sucked in by the suffering of his flock.

Argh, this man puts it so much better than I ever could....no wonder he's a vicar! http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/church-ministers-emotional-plea-david-5688354

At the same wedding? Although "Dave and Ed" does have a certain ring to it ;p Sorry to bring it back but CB Fry does have a point; I watched QT the other month where Jewish historians were at pains to say that the systematic murder of the disabled in the nazi concerntration camps was not part of the holocaust and wasn't really that serious. That made me slightly mad.

Then I think this may shock...In certain circumstances...I do. I mean, if there's a single person renting, from the council a 3 bedroom house (there's one next door to my grand parents) then yes, I would, as a council only allow him or her to be entitled to the same rate of a single bedroom dwelling. Obviously there are things to take into account, for example has he or she just had a death in the household causing this etc. But such properties are for families. Obviously a caveat for me would be, for example disabled people in 1-2 bedroom places that require things like treatment rooms. But sticking my right-wing cap on, I'd say that they're getting such rentals at a vastly subsidised rent (if they are council and not private) that you really should stick to the rules.

There are right leaning people that agree with policies such as the bedroom tax and there are left leaning people that do. I am aware you said you were a left-wing voter at one point. At one point I voted conservative. But it doesn't stop me thinking that some of the things suggested by the incumbent party are rotten. I don't know, I don't come from the age of screaming lefties ruling trade unions imposing things like closed shops, working to rule and three day weeks. I just grew up in a decade when greed was good and it was all about every man for himself and I just think after what? 35 years of Conservative and quasi-conservative rule we could have done with a change but it's been like this so long that the left has become a dirty word.

Ok, Hypo...What views of yours do I find objectionable? Well, not really any. It was a wrong choice of words on my part. Wes (Or was it Jeff?) asked for proof earlier but I think links were already posted with people like Boris Johnsson complaining about the blanket 20% cut of disabled people from Disability Living Allowance to Personal Independence Plan. I understand that if we tax the wealthy too much they will leave this country for better tax havens but in the same vain, we cannot think that the best way to trim the budget is to do things like remove housing benefit and such from the under 25s as a blanket again (it's in the manifesto). I think the problem, like you like to suggest to me, is a lot of generalisations and assumptions which appear to have been research into very lightly indeed.

It's the biggest problem for me. I do not care if you are right or left. You do not attack the poorest in society to make political or economic gain. I agree with a number of things the conservative party stand for. I've said before, in every TV interview when mentioning attacks on the disabled, Cameron "loses his sh it" as Hypo puts it and will completely change the topic. There are things that Thatcher did that were right, there were also things she got very very wrong (and that's why people like Tarzan removed her) so please don't wear rose tinted-glasses Mr Cameron and think that because she didn't manage to push it through that it needs to be completed.

Could you please put that on the general election thread because it's nice to see I'm not the only one with this view.

This I partly do not understand. Labour draws it's roots from the trade unions. When the conservative party remove backing from wealthy banking corporations and such then that would be fine. Also, Hypo, as a disabled person I just find some of yours and the electorate's views astonishing....ask a lot of disabled people, they will tell you the same.

I am not losing my **** thank you very much.

You mean the left are trying to out do the right with discrimination? It's gonna be a tough mountain to climb that one!

I was trying to find you a copy of that famous grandad speech from Only Fool's and Horses about how the government after world war one promised homes fit for heroes but delivered heroes fit for homes....Bugger! Either way, things like PTSD are kinda big issues. It's one thing I'd like to see tackled by this government however I think they'll just fail these tick box tests and be marginalised. However, I who-heartedly endorse this idea the government want to bring in about removing the criminal element of BBC non-license paying.

And so it's started. http://www.theguardian.com/law/2015/may/12/scottish-government-human-rights-act-conservatives

That would be the equality act (previously a couple of laws put into one, for example the disability discrimination act 1994), which also covers disability as well. I think the same one was used for my example about too.

Thought it might be; timely coincides with more poverty porn and spending cuts. Although I don't understand why it's on now; programs like this did the trick of ratcheting up people's fears of the feckless, workshy members of British society. I think there's plenty of anger for this sort of thing though Batman, but there's been so many programs like a this a malaise has probably set in, people are used to it....kinda like subliminal messaging.

Hundreds of war veterans are living destitute and being refused sick benefits for their illnesses such as mental health and such and no one batters an eye....but if some daubs a memorial....heaven-forbid (neither are in any way right by the way).

5? I'm having no part of this, all I know is the geezer we're talking about opened the backpacker's place I stayed in sydney and without my knowledge, the receptionist creased up when they saw my name; asked if we were related and after a phone call home, it turned out according to granny Hockey to be true. I am pleased to see he's doing this and I suppose the Osborne comparisons are fair but one can only speculate and say that George may belong to the old boys club that has a lot of execs as members so may not be as inclined to inforce such a bill as the supposedly classless system that they have down under.

Brilliant! I take my hat off to you Bearsy....that's how it normally works innit! :toppa:

Crikey! this didn't take long! http://www.itv.com/news/meridian/update/2015-05-11/portsmouth-councillor-defects-from-ukip-to-tories/ (seriously though, surely there has to be some rules about this? as he was elected on a UKIP ticket?).

Do you remember the tories doing something similar at the turn of the century? lurching in every direction of right with Hauge and then Howard....I suppose it's swings and round abouts although with this new boundary issue, those in power now will make sure this does re-occur.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/may/11/alan-sugar-resigns-from-labour-party-over-shift-to-left To me, his timing seems a bit odd, since they've just lost "red Ed" and now are essentially re-evaluating a move to the centre ground. Also, Labour moving towards the left? Who'd have thunk it? I honestly don't know why Lord Sugar didn't support the tories from the beginning like Karen Brady.