Hockey_saint

That's undeniable but it ignores the currently hushed up Russian report, Boris' ongoing affair with a Russian heiress and a whole host of other points....Trump is no doubt in the pocket of Russia...and who's in the pocket of Trump eh? As I say, sold lies and half-truths. Let's just say if you voted against Labour and for brexit because of links to Russia....you've followed my "simplistic, one-dimensional" route.

You think Corbyn was the one in bed with the Russians? (you're aware the Russians aren't communist anymore right? more totalitarian and quite right wing) You've not got much of a clue on Cummings' links to Breibart and how much they're paid by Putin obviously. Corbyn was an idiot but you and a great many people were sold on a lie.....an oven-ready one. I'm quite choosy who I align with and when I walk down the Mall in London and see thousands of skinheads making nazi salutes and shouting for Brexit...I know which side I won't be siding with. Also, no, I think our death rate has a great deal to do with the liar you put into office and his dithering for weeks so thanks......could still have a grandfather if it weren't for the absolutely abysmal bunch you voted in, in the name of this sh!tshow that is brexit / far right project.

You think racism has nothing whatsoever to do with it? Again....using simple one dimensional arguments for things that have an awful lot of elements to them. No prime minister ever signed away the right for us to choose what we wanted to do.....we did however sign legally binding contracts.....That's nice you have a foreign bride...I know lots of old men that marched with the NF who now have Thai brides....doesn't mean they're not racist and didn't vote brexit. Lots of people in this country would prefer we weren't modelled on Singapore...you know, low tax, low human rights.....which is basically what you're advocating......again, it's the people you're getting yourself into bed with that are the issue.

Of course Thatcher tried to extend that lease, but like Brexiteers will find shortly, she came into contact with reality. In her case the reality that China had half a million soldiers stationed at the Hong Kong border in case we went back on our word like we're doing now.....They told her as much and it's been documented that they did indeed have those troops stationed in Guanzhou....just in case.

You think they'll want to trade with a country that goes back on legal agreements signed? Your brexit friends are taking us down a very dark road. We're not the good guys anymore you know? This is a stain on our country's history and will be written like that.

What you don't seem to understand is that life is not cut and dry. Half the population voted for Brexit on many lies. That half probably thought it would be cut and dry. Now whilst I am aware of the example some of the hyperbole that brexiteers are using about "liberty" and "independence"....using the US example, which, of course is basically an example of rich men making an awful lot of money and pretending it's about freedom and liberty is not much of the sort. We signed and agreed to join a European Union; no evil empire forced us and if we act the way we our, as above, as Thatcher would tell you, our name will be absolutely mud only fit to deal with third-rate, right-wing countries, which, I suppose is what we're turning into......is that liberty to you? To be seen as a racist little island full of ignorant people? It's not for me or 49% and rising people on this island.

Won't be much of a blessing without a US trade deal. "a new never seen before state of affairs" - yep, our government haven't broken international laws in the last hundred or so years. The US reaction should tell you that they value a trade deal with the EU much more than a trade deal with us. To me, brexit is a fantasy of idealists who don't live in today's world....some points are very good but it's the people you have to get into bed with to get it done that are the problem. If they get their way, the future won't be particularly bright for the UK at all.

I didn't say there were no time wasters....I simply wondered what his definition was. An observation from my visit though....if you want to talk about time wasters, there's a woman who was arrested for breaking lots of equiptment and racially abusing a doctor in A&E the other month, she got a suspended sentence.....On my way out I noticed her on the way to the hospital with her union jack shorts on....that's basically the type of person that agrees with you ducky.

It would interesting to find out who he thinks are having tests without needing to. I had to have a test the other week when I got my hydrocephalus shunt checked out in Neuro whilst in hospital. Either way, it's some twatishly cvntish comment.

Your reasoning is odd. John Redwood is a known liar and an absolute ERG nutjob. The Sun is ALWAYS full of nonsense. As a football fan you should know this. There was nothing silly about the points I've raised. Boris is a proven liar. He first backed remain and then he didn't when he saw it as in his interest...there are quotes to back it up. We as a country world wide are known for sticking to the rule of law and if we break agreements we have signed, we're nothing more than crooks what ever nonsense excuses you make. The republic of course will carry out the restrictions expected of it as an EU member....how is this a surprise to you? They are not the bad guys here, the liars, the racists and the accused rapists of the brexit squad are. It's pretty simple really.

If he wasn't happy, he shouldn't have signed it should he? He campaigned on the fact he had an "oven-ready" deal....he lied as he didn't. This "breech" is a break in the law. Something potential partners WILL have noticed and our standing as a fair and just country that abides by the rule of law will be absolutely shot. Is your desperation for "independence" REALLY worth this? Getting into bed with some serious crooks? They're not even very conservative.

You lump remainers into the same boat.....But come on, Northern Ireland seems to have been an after thought. The first was obviously short-selling the pound so that Boris and his crooked friends could make an awful lot of money.

The Northern Ireland situation was clearly not thought about with you brexiteers. Meanwhile, the Northern Ireland minister has just said our government have broken the law. That will not bode well for any agreement with anyone. They'll know they're dealing with lying crooks.

If you're going to force the public to pay, it needs to be balanced. The bbc has gotten it from both sides....Kuensburg is too right wing; when the BBC says something the government and it's right wing supporters don't like, it's too left wing. The point is, you can't please everyone but these guys....it's so nice to put them on block; you can ignore their nutjobbery; clearly won't be happy until we've got presenters wearing "Make America great" caps. You can't win. The BBC is a worldwide figure of Britishness; what would replace it? I hope it doesn't give in to seething old men like Wes and GM there.

Well you're not going to get it are you? The one being advertised is essentially a mix of Talk Sport and Fox which, whilst Talk Sport tries not to be, are both quite right wing. Besides, it's only usualy "really left" to those with right wing sensibilities. You will not get an "impartial" channel to replace it. All you will get is a mouthpiece of the current government that will be either very right wing or left.

Of course you did. I think sane people would take the BBC over some absolutely biased version of Fox media....which is clearly what you're calling for. I seem to recall we fought against fascists in the war.

You gotta love how the tories call the opposition leaders "white middle class" whilst happily voting for a member of the German aristocracy; whilst I think Sunak would be a good move for the tories, I don't see their new far right supporters being overly excited about the idea.

Absolutely....meanwhile....neck and neck in the polls.....destroying a 26 point lead in 5 months....what an absolute idiot....morons like these two here will back him to the hilt though. I saw some supporter say it's because they're not being tougher on migrants and knocking on hotel rooms of asylum seekers....nope, if anything it's that the tory voter would prefer them to be a bit more conservative and less league of fascists.

Which makes him possibly the worst. No principals at all. I mean, he was a remainer for a very long time until it suited him and half his family are liberals.

In most jobs, if you make jokes about "letterboxes", "piccanninis" and whole host of others, you wouldn't expect to keep that job let alone lorded as a "character" and being great. These two seem as nutty as Peter Shilton or Matt Le Tissier on twitter. Usually, defending such people reflects badly on that person. Definitely not very saintly. Also, I was never a huge fan of Jeremy Corbyn and his lot have a similar problem....hunting down liberals and forgetting that both the conservatives and Labour parties were pretty much made of them...Steve Bannon has some extreme links to the far right and is seeding these parties across Europe...Farage, Johnson and Trump are all fan boys of that man and I hope he blabs like crazy on his mates because this country should be classier than him and his ilk.

He dismisses his views because of the above.

Let me get something clear, which clearly the two tory boys seem to be missing......The Conservative party USED to be a broad church....most of those were expelled last year now it's basically a party for raving, semi-racist nutjobs, otherwise known as Bannon's plaything, the Brexit party or the Leave tories. The sheer moronical idea that Boris' subservient misfits who are left after the cull are the same "broad church" is just insulting to everyone. The tories, as we knew them even a couple of years ago are no longer. Everyone can see that. This bunch of rag-tag Cummings hand-picked subservient MPs are the Brexit party in everything but name.

It's not really my problem that both you and Wes there have the attention span of a nat. Either way, Johnson is a cock, a racist one. Gove is usually a coked up knob who, if he went to state school was probably not particularly popular but anyway, as Cummings says, unless you're rich, the party you tory boys support think you're a piece of crap so carry on trying to be all self-congratulatory but in the end, you're just divvies....who think a bunch of crooks can do no wrong and if you think Bannon has no links whatsoever to Johnson, Farage or the Tory/Brexit party, you're thick as mince.

I never said once Cummings went to Eton. I said he's definitely putting himself in a group with an awful lot of people who did. He has also openly admitted that group don't give to stuffs about working people....it's on record. So you don't like long-winding examples....fine but he's probably more like Harry Enfield's tory boy anyhow. I just find your defence of the indefensible a bit odd. Hopefully it'll blow up when Bannon blabs on all his far right mates....Cummings and Johnson being two of them.

He's probably been dead on the inside for a long while now.