Hockey_saint

Oh? But I thought Brexit was supposed to trigger the entire collapse of the EU and free movement?.....

The problem with the argument above about just shielding the vulnerable and making us younger people who are also vulnerable "manage as best we can" is wrong for the same reasons it was only affecting the young last week and now it's hitting everyone. Containment is just not that easy.

We could only have 10 at my grandad's funeral. I'm surprised they've not tightened those rules. I'm guessing they will, like most things shortly though.

Also, what I find interesting is how Momentum and all the Corbynites have started to go mad about this patriotism line of Labour's.....they do seem to forget that the party Corbyn wanted to go back to was once fully endorsed by Enoch Powell for being anti-common market and for what reason? National interests and ahem.....patriotism. It's something a lot of people up north value so it's not really surprising......it's also something Johnson has played against Labour for too long.

Richard E Neal is the head of an A-Political organisation and most of those will still be there no matter the election result so well done Boris and his brexiteers....we're absolutely screwed.

Good to see Charlie Elphicke's gone down......wonder what happened to the alleged brexit rapist....or has his mate Dom sorted it all out for him.

Absolutely but as pointed out, some of the committees that have to pass any bill are a-political and will absolutely not allow such an agreement so the US deal seems dead in the water if this bill goes through.

I like the ageist and racist bit....is that like a bunch of fascists shouting down MPs calling them facist whilst making nazi salutes?.....I'm no racist...those are with ahem...Les there. He also obviously hasn't heard what the head of the ways and means committee on capitol hill has said either then. I know people who work for the state dept. in DC and they reckon we're fcked. also, ageist....no, I'm against miserable old bstrds like you who want to screw this country over to get your own way in spite of everyone else. It's your party trying to turn this into an age war by blaming everything on young people....mainly because they won't vote for the crooked liars you do. Love the line: "No British minister should solemnly undertake to observe treaty obligations with his fingers crossed behind his back.".....his own Brexit lawyer's calling him a lying scumbag crook. Brilliant. https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-ex-law-chief-joins-rebellion-and-hits-out-at-pms-unconscionable-plan-12071438

To be fair, they called Michael Hestletine the "left" the other month. Just a bunch of right wing nutters.

is it even the conservative party anymore? Seems nothing more than a Dominic Cummings/vote leave plaything.....I mean, is there anything conservative about the entire cabinet?

Cheering breaking the law....what have we come to. One thing is for sure, this won't be ignored by potential partners....But the the US have already sad sod your deal if you do that. But do carry on cheering you muppet.

I think we all know that and the raving and squirming of the muppets on here is just showing how they're either blind to it or just arsholms.

Sounds about right but then it's a pretty disgraceful way for the leader of a country to behave...but then, as the video on the previous page shows, he's a massive liar.

Some dummy who knows that Russia is no longer ruled by communists you mean? Or some dummy who doesn't take the word of a liar who has been sacked from every job he's ever worked for, has had many unnamed children, said some god-awful racist comments and who obsesses over a man who calls the KKK "very nice people", who's dad was a member of said kkk and both of who are controlled by a right wing cardel most people in the 40's would call the enemy. You gave me examples of how you couldn't possibly be racist....but wil happily back this racist pond life if it suits your odd fantasy of "freedom".....and you call ME a dummy? Love this clip of the oven-ready deal....brilliant. What a liar, charlaton and crook.....you back that and call other people who don't agree dummies? Protection for the NHS and an oven-ready deal we were promised. Both are lies. All the tories back it apparently....alright then....

Because you don't break legally binding contracts....it's not done.....Also Johnson is a highly unstable individual and the rest of the world and his aunt can see it....and it's right on their doorstep so that would be quite an interest. It's also arrogant to think we're a major player anymore. We're not.....haven't been for about 50 years. Someone above explains it better than me.

I'm not wrong. The biggest federation on the planet with a bigger GDP than the US doesn't need us. This arrogance really does need to stop. We've been sold down the river by snake oil salesmen. I understand how easy it is to get caught up, Shirley no longer sounds like it did when I grew up and we as a public didn't ask for that but it's still insane to think France, Germany and the rest need us more than we need them....it's a fantasy. A sad, sad fantasy. Also, on a brexit-related point.......remember how the press hounded Meghan and Harry and pretty much every other celebrity..........seen a photo of Boris' child Wilf and Carrie yet? Yeah, press strings are controlling this whole fiasco.

Wes' over-inflated nationalist ego cracks me up. We won't be the 5th biggest economy once brexit has shat all over us.

But why can't they use the same methods as ITV and channel 4 do? You know, mostly through advertising. I don't their service is anywhere near good enough to create their own version of netflix.

A block as big as their doesn't "Need" to trade with us.....it would be helpful for them if they did....as we've always been the gateway for the US to the EU but there are other ways they can get around us.

The point is that this foreign rule notion means nothing if we're going to sign massive and usually one-sided trade deals with other countries and then be beholden to them....our biggest one being with the US, who, at the moment are threatening to walk away. I know people who work in the financial markets of New York and on Capitol hill in DC and all seem to think this is an insane move. It's just the interconnectivity of the world today. The EU trading block sounded good because it gave us influence in a group who's combined GDP outstrips even the US....anyone would want a piece of that....that's probably the main thing they see. This staying friends thing...we're not doing a very good job of that either are we? Walking away from legally binding deals, running half them down in the press? My father worked for BAT and as you may know, it shut most of it's operations due to EU diktats but even with that, I can't see how we'd want to walk away from by far our biggest trading partner. It's a difficult one but I still think we need to move away from all this hyperbole about "freedom" and "having no master" and other lines because they've basically been dreamt up by people who couldn't give two figs about us but are more thinking about the opportunity to make unfetted stacks of tax-free cash and, like the Weatherspoon's owner Tim Martin, don't mind reducing our rights to get it.

It was just an example. I wasn't calling you a member of the NF or an old man. But to deny there is very much a very big whiff of racism at least egging on Brexit is to ignore a big part of it. Cummings alone has huge links to far right movements. His friend Bannon said he wanted to seed far right movements across Europe and they also have big links to Russia, who, let's face it, would love nothing better than to destablise Europe....sounds very convenient doesn't it. Plus anyone, anywhere can be racist no matter if their entire family is, for example a different colour, it makes no difference so examples, to me, don't really mean much. Perhaps I've read too many books on examples where the people being liberated only find out they've been saved by people worse than the ones they left....Obviously much of Europe and Stalin would be a good example of that but we have a long rouges gallery of people you wouldn't usually trust at a village committee behind this and I don't think a single one of them is honest as to why they are behind it (Boris is a good example....very pro-EU until he saw the chance to improve his career or Mogg who's pulled a fair proportion of his money out of the UK......sounds suspiciously like short-selling against the pound).....it just all smells very very fishy to me.

See the problem is, for me.....cut everything away.....the far right who absolutely love the idea of a nationalism sh!tshow.....the liar we have in office who's obviously controlled by Dominic Cummings and all his rich, tax-avoiding mates and their views on British institutions.......strip that all away and the idea is always a good one; being free to do trade deals on our own, making agreements on the fly, allowing our citizens to move back and forth to places like Australia whenever they want but sadly, it's just not that simple.

I would be suspicious about how much would be revoked......The timing of this is all very interesting as well since the EU were in the middle of bringing in rules about tax-havens.

There are an awful lot of conceeding points there like the Human Rights Act and a whole lot of others and that figure of 15 - 55% is so vast it sounds like an awful lot of guesswork.

Quite; we were, ironically, the driving force in letting the A8 countries in to....add more socialist elements to the union....which let's face it, getting rid of the lies about "independence" "taking orders from Brussels" and "freedom" which are all very nice buzzwords but utter boll0cks is more the reason for Brexit than anything else.