Hockey_saint

I see Len McClusky hit the nail on the head when he said he finds it disgusting that elements of the press and the conservative party who backed fascism and the Nazi party in the '30s against the Labour party who fought on the cobbles of Cable street against it and are now in some perverse manner being accused of antisemitism. The exact quote is as follows: ""It's disgraceful that a Conservative Party and the rightwing press, The Times, The Telegraph, The Daily Mail, the very people who supported elements of the establishment and the aristocracy in the 30's and supported Hitler while the progressive left were out on the cobbled stones of Cable Street, fighting against Moseley's Blackshirts and where we in the Labour Party and the left have a magnificent history of challenging anti-semitism and racism, which is why we attracted huge numbers of the Jewish community to our Party. And now we're being preached to by the cynics who say nothing about Zac Goldsmith's and Lynton Crosby's despicable racist campaign against Sadiq Khan."

Gotta love The Big Question; the arguing going on there between Jewish people suggests to me that no one is going to win here. I do like the woman who defends here comment about Hitler by saying "It's ok, I'm jewish, I'd be on the trains too"...Well I've been to the Holocaust museum in DC and seen a child's brain (with my condition, Hydrocephalus) cut in half and experimented on so I assume that'd make it ok for me too then? because it doesn't.

Seems to have snuck it's way into Saintsweb too....Well, anything that'll discredit Labour and try to reverse those current opinion polls.

No bias there whatsoever. Personally I'd be more upset about Lenny Henry's performance.

You can put up any link you like but you know on the internet there will 100s of others discrediting that viewpoint.

- I call BS on that one, but again, you are clearly a stereotypical right wing football fan. Stereotyping though eh Verbal? "these Corbynist conspiro-planks" You are just as bad as they are. I do like the idea of the conservatives using anti-semitism to beat down the labour party, who come from a doctrine created by Karl Marx...kinda like Labour beating down the conservatives for slating elitist, democracy-hating uber rich white men.

He's factually correct in the sense that for all be it a short period, before the war, the Nazis did indeed seek to send the German Jews to Palestine.....That is a fact....for a very short period of time that is so it's the same with most of history, it can be stretched.

So you don't...at all....find the timing of this all a little "iffy"? What Livingston said, whilst factually, in a lot of ways, correct (in that the Nazis did indeed actively seek to transport the Jewish people to Palestine for a time), his timing was awful. it also depends, do you believe the treatment of the Palestinians is justified and correct? I mean, I could argue that clearly you are a stereotypical right-wing football fan who'll believe any nonsense that the right wing media spout but then that'd be as easy as spouting nonsense like "these corbyistas" and stuff like that when, in honesty, most of them are just fed up with the left aping the right wing conservative party...whilst obviously forgetting that Rupert Murdoch owns a fair number of them and are never going to be impartial but buy their nonsense by the shedload. But, I personally like the UN's definition of Zionism (quite obviously very different to actually just being Jewish....as most people would know): You're aware that the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution that designated Zionism as "a form of racism and racial discrimination". The resolution was repealed in 1991 by replacing Resolution 3379 with United Nations General Assembly Resolution 46/86. Within the context of the Arab–Israeli conflict, but Zionism is viewed by critics as a system that fosters apartheid and racism. Does that sound particulaly like "just being Jewish" to you or does it explicitly imply that to be Jewish, you have to be racist? No, I'm sorry, the two are very different things. Sounds more like propaganda to me...but carry on using it to your own ends.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/30/ken-livingstone-blames-embittered-blairite-mps-for-antisemitism-row I think he's right. I also think this is nothing more than the Blairites feeble attempt to oust Corbyn. It does seem the people making the issue of this are usually conservative voters or would be any way..I mean come on (and I did mention I'm technically Jewish right?) a Tory London Mayoral candidate called Goldsmith who's currently losing out to a muslim candidate and this happens? coincidence? I think not. Also, Lord Sugar is nothing but a scummy mouthpiece who should hand back his title as he clearly doesn't understand what Labour are about.

The question I would ask of the affiliated Jewish socialist party is who are they affiliated to, the likes of Lord Sugar and the blue labourites? Because this seems more internal (with the conservative party cheering wildly) The polls also don't seem to suggest Corbyn and his gang aren't "wrecking" Labour though. Also, I've just read that website; it's the mouthpiece of the Israeli government.

Well, having a pop at a very wealthy man for tax avoidance and smearing someone with accusations of anti-semitism; I suppose you could call that fair game.

I would suggest to you that tax avoidance, whilst not illegal is not a particularly good thing either and to say "you can look at my tax records" is a bit of a stupid answer since his off shore accounts wont show up now will they? Either way since it came, just like this Livingstone issue and the antisemitism, at about the same time his chancellor was trying to take money to help disabled people away at a rate of about £30 a week and give it to the wealthy as a tax refund well...it's tit for tat. But this is interesting, from a Jewish socialist group (you know, the ones you right wingers, throughout history have automatically associated socialism with): http://www.jewishsocialist.org.uk/news/item/statement-on-labours-problem-with-antisemitism-from-the-jewish-socialists-g#.VyLuSV-Ybax.twitter

Nope, but I won't validate or condone the disgraceful acts of this government either just to tarnish him. It would be nice to see a genuine alternative to the conservative party but the media don't want that now do they? Also, bare in mind, a quasi antisemitic campaign was waged against Ed Milliband (who'd dad was a Romanian-born and Jewish) by the conservatives before the last election so this is a bit of a dodgy topic to go down.

I wonder how many visits Hunt, IDS, Cameron and Osborne have had to cancel over the years due to things like doctor's strikes and disabled people chaining themselves outside buildings which makes you think....170 thousand disabled people were murdered in the holocaust yet this government think it's ok to call a fair percentage of them feckless and jobshy...but again, it's who you offend I suppose.

The same could be said for anti-semitism....Either way, this is totally about distraction. As for Mann, would you right wingers be happy about a party member of the conservatives behaving like a guest on the Jeremy Kyle show in public like that? No chance. He's certainly not covered himself in glory there and it does just make it look more like a blue labour plot to oust the the leader.

But by that note, Goldsmith has hung around with the same person. But either way, there is a good quote about "you know who is in power when you understand who you can offend"...I think this is a good example. I digress, it's clearly a tactic to help the ailing Goldsmith.

It was more his direct insinuation that simply because a man is a muslim, he must hang around with terrorists and unlike his usual insistance on calling them Daesh, he referred to them as the islamic state. It's a nasty tactic, but as Goldsmith is currently losing the London Mayoral campaign, he knew it'd get noticed; you know, when several MP's shouted "Racist" at him for suggesting the two must be linked (it just seems to me like a ploy to detract attention from himself...And make a dig at Sadiq Khan who, I speculate he's allowed it to be suggested that he is against Israel such as Islamic state is)....He also, as usual, didn't apologise for making such a suggestion. But the two incidents seems awfully close together and frankly, I'd put nothing past dodgy Dave and his classless Disabled/poor/doctor("We'll cut the deficit (they haven't) not the NHS (they have)"/council/countryside (fracking) beating "we only make policies for those who'll vote for us" (IDS) friends.

Oh it's very much true. But it was idiotic for Livingston to walk into such a right-wing media's trap especially straight after the prime minister made such islamaphobic comments.

**** off you troll.

What are yours of yours? But then, you don't really know much about the conservative party do you? This is all just deflection...literally, the topic and your views.

As do the conservatives but they control most of the media...always have since Lord Beaverbrook.

Weird timing though isn't it....And people say the BBC isn't a right wing puppet.

Once again, your ignorance shines through....Why don't you read a book on right wing politics and their historic views of the Jews.

Oh! You mean the bloody ignorant version of it then. Why would Labour have a problem with it? Do tell since their whole ideology was created by Karl Marx. "My own crowd" ha what a buffoon.

Because when you say anti-semite, what semite do you mean? The Maltese, perhaps the Palestinians, or maybe even the Cypriots....Oh, you mean the Israelites...Just pointing out your obvious ignorance because, frankly, you could be a supporter of Israel and the Jewish people (like technically myself) and STILL be an anti-semite....just pointing it out. I would also suggest the conservative signing of the Balfour agreement did more to damage certain anti-semitic feeling than pretty much anything else, but do carry on.