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That's one thing, but the other line of your argument is that he wasn't really that good and a fringe/bit part player which he really never was for us. All in a desperate attempt to defend something which you know little about, like everyone else. The fact is that we lost a good player (for what I'm sure are a number of reasons) to a rival for peanuts who is excelling and possibly on the brink of an England call up. You might be fed up but others may find it interesting to talk about this on a forum, particularly when measured against the discussions around our strength and depth in that position. If you don't, fair enough, no one has said you have to.

I'm not the one getting upset about discussing what a good player Jack Cork is, you wally.

You can "move on" and not comment anymore on this whenever you like.

Poch played Cork more than he did Wanyama.

Mainly because people see anyone suggesting that he could have/should have stayed as direct criticism of the board which a lot of people can't stomach.

We got Wanyama as you can't only have two CM's good enough to play at this level. Jack Cork was a very good player for us, excellent in many of our best results since we made it back to the prem, not withstanding his excellent contribution in the Championship. He is very good as he's now showing at Swansea and we'd certainly be better off having him now IMO.

He was hardly a fringe player struggling to get in. Let's not re-write history. He made more appearances than Fonte in our first season back, 28 to JF's 36 in the second season and 12 before he eventually moved last season. He would have played plenty of games as he always did when we had him.

This is hardly in the same bracket of him being susceptible to injuries. Any players leg will break if the force and angle of impact are the same. His horrible and unfortunate leg break is really nothing to do with him getting colds or picking up injuries. That's more to do with him being a still developing teenager who wasn't making all the right choices.

Grow up chaps. It's just a football forum. Just scroll down and forgot about it if you don't like it. It's not hard.

Brilliant, great memories. Adkins is a top man.

He will soon enough but I think this weekend will come too soon for VD.

I'm not sure he even does that much in all reality so the impact will be non-existent.

Based on what?

I expect Fonte and Yoshida to start this game.

Just memories of actual decent and exciting games regardless of the result. Obviously 5-1 against Germany, the buzz around Euro 96 and even the Argentina game in WC 98 where you remember the impact of certain players. Obviously I have to qualify this with being a kid where I would get excited at even the sight of a football on TV.

It is but a lot of his goals have been scored against dire European opposition and part time plumbers. An extreme version is having Rooney play for your 5 a side team over 10 years and then lauding him up because he smashed the teams all time goal scoring record. I addition, it's true that he's never really had a any true competition for his place. When I think back on all the good memories I have of England, not one involves Rooney.

Like budgeting for a 10th place finish yet talking up sustained appearances in Europe and now winning the FA or League cup.

Exactly, nothing memorable from Rooney at all. Maybe that goal in Russia a few years ago in qualification but that's about all I can think of. In fairness to him, he's been playing in one of the most drab decades for England in a long long time.

He'd end up doing something silly. JWP if he's on the pitch all day long. VVD could possible take a good pen?

Struggling to think of a memorable Rooney moment in an England shirt. No one game or goal stands out for him like some of the other players in the list he is now above.

The March.....out of Europe

If a club can pay 2 to 3 times more than we can in wages it suggests that that club will always be a bigger club in the players eyes which is really all that matters.

You working at the club now Krakers?

From what I write you deduce that I think we should never sell any players? Utter nonsense, I've never said anything of the sort. We should invest what's necessary to match our aims. If it's a genuine sustained top table/European qualification with the prospect of being in place should one or two of the big guns cock up, then it will take pretty big investment to sustain. We've taken advantage of the momentum of the last few years and a rare situation to generate huge sums of cash. We won't be able to do it again anytime soon. Have we done enough to take full advantage of that situation even in the medium term? Remains to be seen on the playing side of things at least.