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With Badenoch in charge there is no way that the Conservatives will be in power in 5 years time.

Employer contributions for pensions and NI will still be much smaller than what is paid in Europe. My company employed French salesmen and the rule of thumb was to double the cost of their salary to work out the total cost of employment. Germany wasn't much different. If we want public services to be as good as on the Continent we will need to expect similar levels of taxation.

Nursey left the laptop on whilst she attended to another inmate.

I am sorry mate.... I can and I do. That is why I enjoy reading your batshit crazy posts.

Am I the only one who enjoys Crazy Nic's posts for their comedy value?

I understand with what you are saying and cannot disagree with some of your points. I believe however that the risk of any assisted dying system evolving into one that encompasses more than the terminally ill is far too great. Everyone has their own views on this subject. My views are coloured by having lived with a very disabled wife. At least MPs are being allowed to vote with their consciences.

If you read back through this thread, the opponents of assisted dying are not objecting necessarilyon the sanctity of life argument. There are other issues involved which are being debated in a sensible, rational manner.

Don't want to go to Duckie's ale house if they sit around talking about dead sportsmen`s dicks. 😁😁

Apparently last year 40 Britons went to die at Dignitas in Switzerland. Only 20 of these would have been covered by the proposals contained in the proposed legislation. If the proposed legislation was to be passed, I am sure that there would be immediate calls for it to be widened to include other people - such as the other 20 who would have missed out.

In countries such as Canada, where assisted dying is allowed, the scope of the legislation has been widened since its first introduction to include people without terminal illnesses. Disabled people and older people now come under its remit. Proponents of assisted dying say that would never happen here, there would be safeguards, we wouldn't allow it, blah blah blah. They said that in Canada as well. There is an interesting documentary on bbc iplayer by the disabled actress Liz Carr (silent witness) which covers this angle. Well worth watching (despite Lighthouse' s opinion) if you want more information.

A pity that you didn't have a sufficiently open mind to watch the whole documentary . Clearly you have never been close enough to disabled people to understand their way of thinking.

Its not nonsense and your insistence that it is demonstrates an inability on your behalf to fully comprehend the issues around this highly contentious issue. I am surprised as you normally come over as being sensible and open minded.

I wouldn't be so sure. This Collin Rugg that you are quoting seems to be a Trump apologist. In other Twitter posts that he makes he refers to TV presenters being "far left". Far left?? A presenter on American mainline TV?? Do us a favour. I bet he believes that Kamala is a Marxist. When people succumbed to heat at Tim Walz's rally, he stopped speaking, arranged for them to to be treated but then carried on. No cancellation of the event . No swaying to music. No Dad dancing. Trump's cognitive ability must be questioned. He is the oldest Presidential candidate ever and his refusal to release his medical records makes me doubt his mental state.

The bloke is losing it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/10/14/trump-music-sways-town-hall/ There must be serious doubts about his mental ability.

He is not going to last the next 4.5 years of this government. He will have worn himself out with anti Labour exhaustion long before then. 😁😁😁

How can JRM reform the Tories whrn he doesn't believe in computers??

No Duckie. You are pretty unique. There are very few like you around. 😁😁😁

Yeah. Bloody Disraeli and his idea of One Nation Tories. Pinko. Not a true Conservative.

Perhap's this eplains a lot of Batman's issues. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/oct/04/royal-navy-chief-apologises-for-intolerable-misogyny-in-submarine-service?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Just when you thought that the Tories were going to have a grown up for a leader..... Mind you if Cleverley supporters were really that cack handed it is perhaps a good job that he hasn't gone through to the members vote. Has any politician ever been as misnamed as Cleverley??

We will just have to agree to disagree. One man's strawman is another man's cogent argument. Just try to approach this subject with an open mind. It is highly complex and is not as straightforward as you originally set out.

"Hysterical scare mongering. " Please watch that programme and appreciate that it is not hysterical scare mongering for many people.

Hypo covers many of her points in his excellent post above. I come from it from the angle of protecting the rights of disabled people. This is one of the main features of the programme - summed up in its title. My first wife became severely disabled and lived for many years with MS before she died. She used to worry that a euthanasia bill could lead to disabled people becoming regarded as second class citizens. Liz Carr illustrates this fear very well. I fully appreciate that there are sensible arguments why assisted suicide should be allowed. It is a highly complex subject. I am just surprised that you, who normally acts as the voice of reason on this forum, cannot see the problems with assisted suicide.

You say that you did not watch the documentary but you know that it is horse shit. Hmmm. The subject is more complicated than you are making out. Watch that documentary and you will appreciate that point.