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  1. As it stands we are comfortably OK with the home grown rule. We have 27 over 21 players but this includes Lancashire (B-team) and Nlundulu (on loan until January). Not home grown (10) - as listed by SaintJackoInHurworth Bednarek Caballero Diallo Djenepo El Younossi Lis Lyanco Perraud Romeu Salisu Home grown (17) Adams A Armstrong S Armstrong Ferry Lancashire (B team) McCarthy Nlundulu (but out on loan until January) Ramsay Redmond Smallbone Stephens Tella Valery Vokins Walcott Walker-Peters Ward-Prowse The rest are U21 (including Small, Livramento, Simeu, Chauke, Bazunu, Bella-Kotchap and Lavia). The whole of the B team are U21 (except Lancashire) - though Bycroft has only one more season as an U21 (as does Bella-Kotchap).
  2. I've had to give up on the OS as the official source of contract info as it is wholly unreliable. There are some reports from usually reliable sources that Willy has signed an extension of one year.
  3. Here is the full retained list. I’ll edit the opening post when I get a moment. Contracts Abdul Karim, Mohamed Salisu Adams, Che Sac Everton Fred Armitage, Will Armstrong, Adam James Armstrong, Stuart Babic, Goran Gogo Ballard, Dominic Bednarek, Jan Bellis, Samuel Lawrence Alexander (Offer) Bycroft, Jack Thomas Caballero Lazcano, Wilfredo Daniel (Offer) Chauke, Kgaogelo (Offer) Diallo, Ibrahima Djenepo, Moussa Edwards, Milan Diamond Lazane El Younossi, Mohamed Evangelista Silveira Neves Vojnovic, Lyanco Ferry, William Finnigan, Ryan James Hall, Matthew Lancashire, Oliver Lawrence, Nico Livramento, Valentino Long, Shane Patrick (Offer) McCarthy, Alex Simon Nlundulu, Dan Olaigbe, Kazeem Aderemi J. Otseh-Taiwo, Zuriel Pambou Makaya, Leon Payne, Lewis James Pearce, Luke Edward Andrew Perraud, Romain Paul Jean Michel Ramsay, Kayne Redmond, Nathan Daniel Jerome Rodriguez Borja, Jeremi Alexander Ross-Lang, Fedel Simeu, Dynel Brown Kemgo Small, Thierry Smallbone, William Anthony Patrick Stephens, Jack Tella, Nathan Tizzard, Wiliam Turner, Jack Valery, Yan Vidal, Oriol Romeu Vokins, Jake Walcott, Theo James Walker-Peters, Kyle Leonardus Ward-Prowse, James Michael Edward Watts, Caleb Cassius Wright, Oliver Scholars Bailey, Samuel James (Offer Contract) Beach, Edward James (Extended) Bragg, Cameron Roger Carson, Matthew (Extended) Chavez-Munoz, Ryan Jorge Davis, Sonnie Doyle, Kamari Olivier Hewlett, Jeremiah James Higgs, Tommy Lee Jeffries, Josh David Lett, Joshua Matthew Mohamed, Adli Hatim Othman Husain Squires, Joshua David Woods, Harvey James (Extended) Wright, Rylee
  4. Keep an eye on the PL website from 3pm today. I believe the retained and released lists will be published then
  5. My understanding is that there is a deadline of today to submit retained and released lists to the PL. We may announce something today but we don't have to announce anything - we could leave it to the PL to announce when they publish the lists in a few days' time. I suspect Liverpool will have a few days after the CL final before they have to submit their list so I doubt there will be any publication by the PL this week. All professional players under contract with the club will be on one list or the other. If we are still negotiating, the player will be on the retained list with the word "Offer" alongside him.
  6. I think it will be earlier this year as I understand that lists need to be with PL by this Thursday. Of course, we don’t need to announce anything straightaway but the PL will publish the lists within days
  7. As has Ethan Burnett as well I'll update the opening post for the 22-23 season once we have something official (assuming there is something official!) - unlikely to be before the last first team match.
  8. https://www.premierleague.com/news/2470630 Our 24 man squad announced plus 48 under 21 players. Armitage not included but otherwise no surprises. The only other player not listed (because he is out on loan and not an under 21) is Nlundulu. 25 Squad players (*Home grown) Abdul Karim, Mohamed Salisu Adams, Che Sac Everton Fred* Armstrong, Adam James * Armstrong, Stuart Bednarek, Jan Caballero Lazcano, Wilfredo Daniel Diallo, Ibrahima Djenepo, Moussa El Younossi, Mohamed Evangelista Silveira Neves Vojnovic, Lyanco Forster, Fraser Gerard* Lancashire, Oliver* Lewis, Harry Charles John* Long, Shane Patrick* McCarthy, Alex Simon* Perraud, Romain Paul Jean Michel Redmond, Nathan Daniel Jerome* Stephens, Jack* Tella, Nathan* Valery, Yan* Vidal, Oriol Romeu Walcott, Theo James* Walker-Peters, Kyle Leonardus* Ward-Prowse, James Michael Edward* U21 players (Contract and Scholars) Babic, Goran Gogo Bailey, Samuel James Ballard, Dominic Beach, Edward James Bellis, Samuel Lawrence Alexander Bragg, Cameron Roger Broja, Armando Burnett, Ethan Bycroft, Jack Thomas Carson, Matthew Chauke, Kgaogelo Chavez-Munoz, Ryan Jorge Davey, Teddy Jay Davis, Sonnie Doyle, Kamari Olivier Edwards, Milan Diamond Lazane Ferry, William Finnigan, Ryan James Hall, Matthew Hewlett, Jeremiah James Higgs, Tommy Lee Lett, Joshua Matthew Livramento, Valentino Mitchell, Ramello Dejorn Mohamed, Adli Hatim Othman Husain Elkhidir Olaigbe, Kazeem Aderemi J. Olufunwa, Oludare Samuel Araba Otseh-Taiwo, Zuriel Pambou Makaya, Leon Payne, Lewis James Pearce, Luke Edward Andrew Ramsay, Kayne Rodriguez Borja, Jeremi Alexander Ross-Lang, Fedel Simeu, Dynel Brown Kemgo Smales Braithwaite, Benjamin Small, Thierry Smallbone, William Anthony Patrick Smith, Jayden Pharell Llamar Mills Squires, Joshua David Tizzard, Wiliam Tshaka, Kaya Sean Turner, Jack Vokins, Jake Watts, Caleb Cassius Woods, Harvey James Wright, Oliver Wright, Rylee
  9. He'll presumably be in the long list of U21 players (replacing Lillienberg - the goalie that has left). Other than that, I'm just expecting Caballero in place of McQueen in the main list
  10. Yes if the PL follow what they have done in previous seasons. Not many changes in our case though.
  11. Here is the full list. https://www.premierleague.com/news/2247219 With one exception, there are no surprises. We have listed 24 over 21s and 49 under 21s. The only contracted player omitted is Dan NLundulu who is the only over 21 out on loan. The surprise (to me anyway) is the listing of someone called Adli Hatim Othman Husain Elkhidir Mohamed. I have never heard of him! A "Home-Grown Player" means a player who, irrespective of nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to The Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons, or 36 months, before his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21). Under-21 players are eligible over and above the limit of 25 players per squad. For the 2021/22 campaign Under-21 players will have been born on or after 1 January 2000. 25 Squad players First name Surname Mohamed Salisu Abdul Karim Che Sac Everton Fred Adams HGP Adam James Armstrong HGP Stuart Armstrong Jan Bednarek Ibrahima Diallo Moussa Djenepo Mohamed El Younossi Lyanco Evangelista Silveira Neves Vojnovic Fraser Gerard Forster HGP Oliver Lancashire HGP Harry Charles John Lewis HGP Shane Patrick Long HGP Alex Simon McCarthy HGP Samuel James McQueen HGP Romain Paul Jean Michel Perraud Nathan Daniel Jerome Redmond HGP Jack Stephens HGP Nathan Tella HGP Yan Valery HGP Oriol Romeu Vidal Theo James Walcott HGP Kyle Leonardus Walker-Peters HGP James Michael Edward Ward-Prowse HGP U21 players (Contract and Scholars) First names Surname Goran Gogo Babic HGP Samuel James Bailey HGP Dominic Ballard HGP Edward James Beach Samuel Lawrence Alexander Bellis HGP Cameron Roger Bragg HGP Armando Broja HGP Ethan Burnett HGP Jack Thomas Bycroft HGP Matthew Carson Kgaogelo Chauke HGP Ryan Jorge Chavez-Munoz HGP Teddy Jay Davey HGP Sonnie Davis HGP Kamari Olivier Doyle Milan Diamond Lazane Edwards HGP William Ferry HGP Ryan James Finnigan HGP Matthew Hall HGP Jeremiah James Hewlett Tommy Lee Higgs HGP Joshua Matthew Lett HGP Gustav Erik Lillienberg Valentino Livramento HGP Ramello Dejorn Mitchell HGP Adli Hatim Othman Husain Elkhidir Mohamed Kazeem Aderemi J. Olaigbe Oludare Samuel Araba Olufunwa HGP Zuriel Otseh-Taiwo Leon Pambou Makaya Lewis James Payne HGP Luke Edward Andrew Pearce HGP Kayne Ramsay HGP Jeremi Alexander Rodriguez Borja Fedel Ross-Lang HGP Dynel Brown Kemgo Simeu HGP Benjamin Smales Braithwaite HGP Thierry Small HGP William Anthony Patrick Smallbone HGP Jayden Pharell Llamar Mills Smith HGP Joshua David Squires HGP Wiliam Tizzard HGP Kaya Sean Tshaka HGP Jack Turner HGP Jake Vokins HGP Caleb Cassius Watts HGP Harvey James Woods HGP Oliver Wright HGP Rylee Wright
  12. He has this afternoon been removed from the B Team profiles on the OS. Not overwhelming evidence (e.g. James Morris is still there) but a good indicator.
  13. And Marcus Rus/Enzo Robise - all three disappeared without any mention on the OS. Robise is still listed in the B team but the others were removed without explanation.
  14. Yes, I agree - I'll assume 2022. We were never told what happened when his contract expired in June 2020 so it looks like that was a 1 year extension.
  15. Yes, good luck to all the departing players - and those being offered new deals. The PL have now published a full list of retained players here https://www.premierleague.com/news/2163099 Contracts Abdul Karim, Mohamed Salisu Adams, Che Sac Everton Fred Armstrong, Stuart Bednarek, Jan Bellis, Samuel Lawrence Alexander Bycroft, Jack Thomas Chauke, Kgaogelo Diallo, Ibrahima Djenepo, Moussa Edwards, Milan Diamond Lazane El Younossi, Mohamed Ferry, William Finnigan, Ryan James Forster, Fraser Gerard Gunn, Angus Fraser James Hoedt, Wesley Ings, Daniel William John Jankewitz, Alexandre Tounde Dimitri Lemina, Mario Rene Junior Lewis, Harry Charles John Long, Shane Patrick McCarthy, Alex Simon McQueen, Samuel James (Offer Contract) Mitchell, Ramello Dejorn Nlundulu, Dan Obafemi, Michael Oluwadurotimi Olaigbe, Kazeem Aderemi J. Olufunwa, Oludare Samuel Araba Pambou, Makaya Leon Ramsay, Kayne Redmond, Nathan Daniel Jerome Rodriguez, Borja Jeremi Alexander Ross-Lang, Fedel Slattery, Callum Smales, Braithwaite Benjamin Smallbone, William Anthony Patrick Stephens, Jack Tchaptchet, Wandja Allan (Offer Contract) Tella, Nathan Valery, Yan Vestergaard, Jannik Vidal, Oriol Romeu Vokins, Jake Walker-Peters, Kyle Leonardus Ward-Prowse, James Michael Edward Watts, Caleb Cassius Scholars Babic, Goran Gogo Bailey, Samuel James (Extended) Beach, Edward James Burnett, Ethan Darren (Offer Contract) Carson, Matthew Davey, Teddy Jay (Extended) Hall, Matthew Gary (Offer Contract) Lillienberg, Gustav Erik Otseh-Taiwo, Zuriel Jonathan (Offer Contract) Payne, Lewis James Pearce, Luke Edward Andrew Smith, Jayden Pharell Llamar Mills (Offer Contract) Tizzard, William James (Offer Contract) Tshaka, Kaya Sean Turner, Jack Henry (Offer Contract) Woods, Harvey James Wright, Oliver Lennon George (Offer Contract) And a full list of released players here: https://www.premierleague.com/news/2163104 Agbontohoma, David Osaretim Bertrand, Ryan Defise, Lucas Nsiona K Hesketh, Jake Alexander Kpohomouh, Pascal Latham, Kingsley Finn Ledwidge, Kameron Malcolm Morris, James William O'Connor, Thomas James Scott, Tommy John Sims, Joshua Samuel I've updated the opening post.
  16. Thanks @SuperSAINT for posting the Twitter and Instagram posts. The OS gave up on providing information on departures and many of the contract extensions some time time ago so until the PL publishes the definitive lists (by second Saturday in June) these now look to be the best sources of information.
  17. Séamas Keogh, who is out of contract soon, has been removed from the B team profiles. And information on the trialist in the B team last week https://www.the42.ie/southampton-considering-a-bid-for-irish-youngster-sean-roughan-5433297-May2021/
  18. Saints record for 2021 if you combine the league games of the first team, B team and U18s is something like P40 W4 D5 L31 F40 A 121 Pts 17 Woeful.
  19. I have updated the info in the opening post to reflect how it woud currently look in 2021-22 season i.e. updated which U18s become B team players, which U21s become U23 etc. I'll add it to the opening post at the end of the season once we've seen the retained list but in the meantime... FIRST TEAM • (U21) or (U23) = qualify as under 21 for PL purposes or under 23 for PL2 purposes respectively in 2021-22 - i.e. born on or after 1 January 2000 or 1 January 1998 respectively. • (U21**) or (U23**) = 2021-22 = final season as an under 21 or under 23 respectively. 31 players listed below qualify as over 21 in 2021-22 (but 6 of these are out of contract at the end of the current season). 1. Alex McCarthy – 2022 2. Kyle Walker-Peters – 2025 4. Jannik Vestergaard – 2022 5. Jack Stephens – 2022 6. Oriol Romeu – 2023 7. Shane Long – 2022 8. James Ward-Prowse – 2025 9. Danny Ings – 2022 10. Ché Adams - 2024 11. Nathan Redmond – 2023 12. Moussa Djénépo – 2023 (U23**) 14. Michael Obafemi - 2022 (U21**) 17. Stuart Armstrong – 2024 18. Yan Valery – 2023 (U23) 19. Takumi Minamino - 2021 20. Will Smallbone – 2024 (U21**) 22. Mohammed Salisu - 2024 (U23) 23. Nathan Tella - 2023 (U23) 27. Ibrahima Diallo - 2024 (U23) 28. Angus Gunn - 2023 29. Jake Vokins – 2024 (U21**) 30. Callum Slattery – 2022 (U23) 31. Kayne Ramsay – 2023 (U21**) 32. Theo Walcott - 2023 35. Jan Bednarek - 2025 39. Josh Sims – 2021 40. Dan N'Lundulu – 2022 (U23) 41. Harry Lewis – 2021 44. Fraser Forster – 2022 45. Sam McQueen – 2021 47. Will Ferry - 2022 (U21**) 64. Alex Jankewitz – 2022 (U21) Wesley Hoedt - 2022 Mohamed Elyounoussi – 2023 Mario Lemina – 2022 'B' TEAM • Qualify as under 21 for 2021-22 unless marked (U23). (U23**) = 2021-22 is final season as an under 23. 49. Tom O'Connor – 2021 (U23) 56. Jack Bycroft - 2024 58. Oludare Olufunwa - 2022 59. Benni Smales-Braithwaite - 2022 61. Kingsley Latham – 2021 (U23**) 60. Kameron Ledwidge – 2021 62. Allan Tchaptchet - 2021 65. Caleb Watts – 2022 69. David Agbontohoma - 2021 71. Pascal Kpohomouh - 2021 72. Kegs Chauke - 2022 73. Ramello Mitchell - 2022 74. Lucas Defise - 2021 76. Séamas Keogh - 2021 77. James Morris - 2021 78. Sam Bellis - 2022 79. Kazeem Olaigbe - 2022 Current 2nd/3rd year scholars but have not signed professional terms Ethan Burnett - (not known but assumed to be 2021) 53. Will Tizzard - 2021 68. Jack Turner - 2021 70. Oliver Wright - 2021 75. Marco Rus - 2021 Matt Hall - 2021 Sam Bailey - 2021 Zuriel Otseh-Taiwo - 2021 Teddy Davey – 2021 Jayden Smith – 2021 UNDER 18s 2nd year scholars (P) = signed professional terms 52. Ryan Finnigan - 2023 (P) Gustav Lillienberg - 2022 Eddie Beach - 2022 Lewis Payne - 2022 Jeremi Rodriguez - 2023 (P) Matthew Carson - 2022 Kaya Tshaka - 2022 Leon Pambou - 2023 (P) Fedel Ross-Lang - 2023 (P) Goran Babic - 2022 Diamond Edwards - 2023 (P) Harvey Woods - 2022 Luke Pearce - 2022 Likely 1st year scholars (U16s that have featured for U18s) Max Alleyne Josh Lett Dom Ballard Sonnie Davis Jem Hewlett Josh Squires Junior Attridge Ryan Chavez-Munoz Kami Doyle Tyler Dibling Riley Wright Cameron Bragg
  20. Marco Rus has been removed from the U18 profiles. There is a mystery trialist at Coventry in this article: https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/football-news/coventry-city-trialist-big-impact-20296222 But read this and it's a short-lived mystery: https://www.sufc.co.uk/news/2021/march/Under-18s-3-2-Coventry-City-report/ Rus is one of many out of contract soon.
  21. Yes, had a feeling when he was added to the B team squad profiles on his return from loan that this was on the cards, particularly as Scott and Latham have rarely featured since. They probably wouldn't have bothered if he was being released at the end of the season. There are still a handful not listed (and some who've left that are!). Congratulations to Jack.
  22. Revised squad lists published https://www.premierleague.com/news/2015249 Much as you would expect. Points to note Shane Long is included in the 25 man squad list (which compises 20 players) - may be a resut of the lateness of the loan. He's the only over 21 out on loan to be listed as Hoedt, Gunn, Hesketh, Lemina, Sims and Elyounoussi are all omitted. All the Under 21s out on loan are listed (Vokins, Valery, O'Connor, Slattery). Enzo Robise and Sean Brennan are omitted from the Under 21 list - they look to have been released. 25 squad players (*Home grown) Adams, Che Sac Everton Fred* Armstrong, Stuart Bednarek, Jan Bertrand, Ryan* Djenepo, Moussa Forster, Fraser Gerard* Ings, Daniel William John* Latham, Kingsley Finn* Lewis, Harry Charles John* Long, Shane Patrick* McCarthy, Alex Simon* McQueen, Samuel James* Minamino, Takumi Redmond, Nathan Daniel Jerome* Stephens, Jack* Vestergaard, Jannik Vidal, Oriol Romeu Walcott, Theo James* Walker-Peters, Kyle Leonardus* Ward-Prowse, James Michael Edward* U21 players (Contract and Scholars) Abdul Karim, Mohamed Salisu Agbontohoma, David Osaretim Babic, Goran Gogo Bailey, Samuel James Beach, Edward James Bellis, Samuel Lawrence Alexander Burnett, Ethan Darren Bycroft, Jack Thomas Carson, Matthew Chauke, Kgaogelo Davey, Teddy Jay Defise, Lucas Nsiona K Diallo, Ibrahima Edwards, Milan Diamond Lazane Ferry, William Finnigan, Ryan James Hall, Matthew Gary Jankewitz, Alexandre Tounde Dimitri Keogh, Seamas Kpohomouh, Pascal Ledwidge, Kameron Malcolm Lillienberg, Gustav Erik Mitchell, Ramello Dejorn Morris, James William Nlundulu, Dan O'Connor, Thomas James Obafemi, Michael Oluwadurotimi Olaigbe, Kazeem Aderemi J. Olufunwa, Oludare Samuel Araba Otseh-Taiwo, Zuriel Jonathan Pambou Makaya, Leon Payne, Lewis James Pearce, Luke Edward Andrew Ramsay, Kayne Rodriguez Borja, Jeremi Alexander Ross-Lang, Fedel Rus, Marco Scott, Tommy John Slattery, Callum Smales Braithwaite, Benjamin Smallbone, William Anthony Patrick Smith, Jayden Pharell Llamar Mills Tchaptchet, Wandja Allan Tella, Nathan Tizzard, William James Tshaka, Kaya Sean Turner, Jack Henry Valery, Yan Vokins, Jake Watts, Caleb Cassius Woods, Harvey James Wright, Oliver Lennon George
  23. And you can probably add Lewis, Scott and Burnett to that list - we've not been told details of any contract extension but may well have been 1 year
  24. Some confusion over who got the straight red card yesterday. The OS report says Agbontohoma but the red card in the line up is shown alongside Tchaptchet
  25. I wondered about that but Liverpool have omitted VVD and named only 24 players, suggesting it's not compulsory (or I can't add up)
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