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True but they are effectively 4 points ahead at the moment and Coventry have won 1 in 9. I'm not hopeful of Coventry doing us a favour.

They can't improve poor players

I suggest you read the Taylor Report. Crowd behaviour didn't have a significant effect on the tragedy. There was traffic problems which delayed coaches. Police stop ad search also delayed people. But the most serious was that there wasn't any management of the crowd within the stadium. Had the police and stewards when the gate was opened directed the latecomers to the pens which weren't filled (look at the photos for evidence of that), the deaths could have been significantly reduced or avoided. Still, if you want to believe the Sun's version of events... As for the notion of "justice", there was a cover-up attempted by South Yorkshire Police through briefing the media about the fans. The coroner's cut-off point of 3:15pm was a political decision. Its not about the mistakes that were made that lead to the disaster happening, its the behaviour of the authorities in response to and afterwards which is the source of anger.

Hillsborough shouldn't be forgotten because it represented the nadir of policing of football in this country. Not everybody died that day before 3:15, some died as late as 4pm. Both shameful and subject to a cover-up by the authorities. Its the lies which continue to make this disaster a campaign. There needs to be justice. Until that happens, families are stuck in the grieving process.

Its neither good nor bad. Many fans thought that the club was going down regardless of administration. The one hope is that there's a buyer out there that can stabilised the club.

Its April's Fool month isn't it...

Can we be clear about why the rule exists? It exists for when a holding company gets into trouble for non-football reasons (say it owns an Icelandic bank as an example). As long as the football club is being run appropriately then despite the problems caused by non-football businesses, no points deductions will occur. Our problem is that the holding company has failed due to problems of income generation from the football club - FFS Mr Fry stated as much at the recent press conference. For all the handwaving, we are in breach of the rules governing football league clubs. Therefore the sanction will be applied by the Football League and we'll be two defeats from effective relegation.

Grasping at straws I'm afraid this is. The way I see it is that its because SFC hasn't performed financially, SLH has become financially unviable. Its the football club which provides effectively 100% of the PLC's income after all. The subsidiary ventures were either sold off of had cease trading before this season. I'm sadly expecting the worst.

That's not up to the FA, its the Football League that makes the decision over points being deducted. I wouldn't hold much faith in any assurances from journalists at Meridian.

The examples of Leicester in 2002 and Derby in 2004 were reasons why they changed the rules DPS. Its a different landscape now as all football league clubs needs to trade as solvent companies. What happened to Leeds occurred in 2007. Its wishful thinking on people's parts to think that Derby are an example. The rules, which all clubs playing in the football league are signed up to, are different now than when Derby were in receivership.

The Football League retain special powers when dealing with clubs. Leeds found that out when they took the ten points hit after knowing they were relegated. It would take one meeting of the FL to impose the points hit regardless of Rupert's handwaving.

Alpine - things may become as bad as you view them but that isn't yet the case. Surviving this season should pull us away from the threat of administration immediately.

We need 4 wins from the remaining seven games - this has to be a win realistically.

My understanding is that Peter Storrie stated that administration would be a reality if they were relegated. This was stated at a fans forum in London apparently. Its no real consolation though if we get relegated again.

If they stay in the Premier League then there's no chance of them going into administration, if they are relegated though...

Its a problem if Notts County complain to the Football League. As yet it sounds as though they are giving Saints the benefit of the doubt. It wouldn't prompt administration.

We would have had more chance of staying up with 18 higher paid players and the kids. Instead we had a squad of equal averageness.

Is it not clear that us Saints fans would rather postulate that our view was the true version of events and send to damnation anybody who would disagree with that viewpoint. There's too many rivalling camps to solve the question posed by GM. Something that GM is very aware of. Hence I can only conclude that GM is swinging his handbag around again...

Its really a simple game. Team with better players tend to win more often. We are at best a bottom sixth team, so we need to fight to stay in the top half of that bottom sixth.

I say no to Crouch, Lowe and Wilde. Why pick sides when the ship sails merrily on to its iceberg regardless of who is supposedly steering. Given that metaphor, which one of the three will be Kate Winslet when the boat sinks?

Why doesn't the club offer bonds to the supporters? For example: £500 bond - to be paid back at £100 per year for 7 years in a variety of formats (cash, discount off season ticket, in match tickets of bondholder's choice etc). Selling twelve thousand £500 bonds would pay off the overdraft.

I haven't been around for a while but heard the rumour. I'm not impressed by some contributors to this thread. My one concern is that given the current financial state of the UK economy, it wouldn't take very long to push Saints into an insolvent position if a creditor decided to play hard-ball. What it wouldn't mean is the end of SFC. Provided that Southampton City Council stay firm in designating SMS as a sports facility in the local planning guidance then the most profitable way for creditors to receive some money is for SFC to continue functioning as a professional football club. My suspicion is that Lowe is going to sell our few assets at prices which we'll see as bargain prices. His defence will be "its that or administration". Lower expectations and settle for second best.