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He has to play if fit. You pick your best team... are you telling me he's not a better player than BWP, Gobern, McGoldrick, Thomson.... Using the daft formation that JP uses.... I'd go with ----------------------McGoldrick ---Gobern-------------Surman-------------------Lallana -----------Wotton--------------Schneiderlin ---Skacel---------Pearce--------Perry/Lancashire---Cork -----------------------Davis Round pegs in round holes, it will never catch on.

We have an extra player in midfield to most teams which is why we can pass it round in that area and is also why we have **** all in the opposition's box. 'Propaganda football' is i think what WGS called it. Ultimately it achieves **** all unless you are getting players in the box and can produce a final ball.

"You're so **** it's unbelievable" would be better.

Sorry mate. If Jan can;t see that this formation will never ever work with the players we have then he has to go. I don't blame him for the players he's got but I blame him totally for the way he sets the team up. We don't have a single player who can play as a lone striker so why do it - oh yes, it's what we do in Holland. It doesn't matter a **** where you come from... if you don't have a Drogba type striker who can do all of the following: hold it up, score goals, bring others into play, be mobile about the park and occupy 2 central defenders then it a complete waste of time as you are going to create **** all. We don't have this player.... hardly anyone does. We are so vulnerable on the wings because a) the wide attacking players don't get back and b) we have no specialist fullback. We will not improve at all until we go 4-4-2 and ditch this formation that doesn't suit our players. All this is Jan's call.

jan's quote of the day along the lines of "Bristol's style will suit Stern more as they play 4-4-2". Yes you ****ing idiot, the formation in which he scored 20 goals last year. Why didn't we try it you ***.

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--------------Davis ---Cork------Perry------Lancashire-----Surman ---Lallana----Wotton-----James--------Skacel ---------------John-------Pekhart

He's one of the 3 youngsters along with Surman and Lallana who is actually good enough at this moment in time. When he's not there it just means there's one more 'not good enough' kid in the side.

Good points well made and I agree with all of it.

I don't blame him for the players he's got but this **** formation does not work and until he changes it to 4-4-2 we have no chance. Defending set pieces really is a coach's domain as well and **** easy to put right so what the **** is going on there.

Davis 6 - had no chance with any of the goals, one decent save 2nd half James 3 - Not a full back and never will be. Not good enough. may be good enough in midfield if swapped with Cork. Wotton 3 - Not a centre back as is too slow, really struggled against physical players Lancashire 5 - Did ok but woudl have been sent off again for abysmal studs up challenge had he not connected with the ball. Mills 5 - not bad but still not good enough yet for this league Cork 6 - Thought he was our best player to be honest. Doesn;t hide and puts in a decent shift. Should really be at right back though as we need to get the defence right first. Surman 4 - I know this flies in the face of most people's opinion but i don;t think Surman is a central midfielder - he's too lightweight and just disappears. In this crap formation we play he should be on the left wing. lallana 5 - nice touches but ultimately produced not a lot. McGoldrick 3 - penalty aside he had a decent first half but he should have been subbed on about 60 minutes when his head went down. Robertson 2 - abysmal. not good enough to play up front on his own but then nor is Pekhart, mcGoldrick, John and a vast majority of forwards. Smith 4 - Shocking first half but markedly improved in the 2nd. Poortvliet 1 - Sort it out you ****ing goon. Where was Stern john ? Why are we still persisting with this ****y formation ? Where is Rudi? Where was Perry? play 4-4-2 as it's back to basics and our players have a better chance of understanding it and being able to play in it. This pretty football in the middle third is a complete waste of time - we're able to do it because we have an extra player in there but this means we only have one forward so it doesn't ****ing work. It might if we had Drogba but sadly, we haven't. We're **** up front and **** at the back. Watford were ****ing **** and we gave it to them, absolutely gave it to them. 2 missed pens, a ref who wasn;t afriad to sort out the rough stuff and we still gave it away. Defend like that and we are going down. Everything else is irrelevant.

I'm with Burley on this one I'm afraid. Didn't help that Iwelumo came up with miss of the century..

Relegation followed by fire sale followed by Burley, followed by the return of Lowe with a generous helping of crap football all over the place and there you go.... 50% gates drop.

It's just ****ing crazy that a 19 year old centre back has to come into the side and 3 out of the back 4 have played 10 games between them. If he was slotting in alongside Perry, with decent full backs who were used to playing together then he'd do much better. Fact is that we haven't had a settled defence since 2003 and until we sort this out, any young layer coming into it is going to look like a fish up a tree and we're going to ship loads of goals.

Kelvin IMO has been **** for 2 years, 3 years if you count his last year at Sunderland. This year he's played much better and his confidence is obviously back. last year I said he was ****, this year I'm saying he's playing well. It's a statement of fact.

Assuming John and Schneiderlin are out... I reckon jan will go for... -----------------Davis James-------Perry-------Lancashire----Mills -----------Wotton-------Cork ----------------McGoldrick -Lallana----------Pekhart-------Surman

Well for the last 2 years, 90% of shots on target have ended up in the goal so I'd rather hear that he's been saving them. he's much improved this year, long may it continue.

To be honest I don;t know. I'd say the only players we have who are fit who could do a decent job in the CCC are... Davis (I know I slated him for 2 seasons) -------------- Cork Perry ????? Surman (out of position but we have no better option right now) ----------- Lallana (wasted out wide but he's the best we have) Schneiderlin (might not be fit still) Wotton (at least he's played in this league before) Skacel (I know he won't last 90 mins) ------------ John ????????? Pekhart might be good enough and that's about it aside from Killer and Thomas. IMO: James, Gillett, Mills, McGoldrick, White are not up to it yet and Lancashire has to sty on the pitch a bit longer than 30 mins before we see if he's good enough or not. If James, Gillett and McGoldrick all play a majority of games this season then we will go down. In any team sport - you can't have nearly a third of your team being not good enough. See Ryder Cup.

Do you think that's a fact. I think that's complete BS. "Here you go Jan, say this so it makes it look like your signing". Maybe I'm being over cynical but I bet I'm not.

I'd pick Bialkowski on the wing ahead of BWP. I'd pick Woggy Taylor up front ahead of BWP.

Jan's quote about following this new guy when he was in Holland strikes me as being a load of toss. Say this Jan so people will think you're making the decisions.... We don't need a striker... we need wingers and a left back. Davis Cork Perry lancashire Surman lallana Wooton ???????? SKACEL John Pekhart

Siad it beofre and will keep saying it. Only 3 of the youngsters are good enough to play int he championship at present. Surman, Lallana and Schneiderlin. I'm not saying that the others never will be but they're not right now. JP is spot on with analysis but he has to back that up by turfing McGoldrick, Dyer and BWP out of the squad.

I'm more likely the **** all of Girls Aloud.

If we had more like him we'd be fine... good character, decent player. He and Schneiderlin would make a good central midfield partnership. With Perry and Svensson/Thomas in at centre backs you'd be half way there. surman on one wing, lallana on the other... like it.... John and a recalled Saganowski up front. Cork at right back and a decent left back on loan... I like it. Won't happen. We'll persist with this ****y formation and youngsters who aren;t good enough and get relegated.

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