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Rupert Lowe never got that there was something different about a football club/team. The bean counters calculations, dividends, business rules just don't apply. Sell good players, buy inferior ones, employ cheap option managers leads to relegation, then look where we are, precisely where the prat who was thinking, dividends, profits, bonuses, I'm in charge, eventually put us.

Still pretty rich, wouldn't you say?

In fact, Lowe did, he was on a contract that had a break clause on either side at the end of the season and Lowe exercised it. He was, I am led to believe on £160k.

When he first arrived we played good, quick, pass and move football. Yesterday was not much passing and even less movement.

There is more than one Mittel in the family, the one who's son is on the board I believe is pre crunch worth about £19B, the total family wealth was I believe about £57B. In any event it's not a billionaires peeing contest it's about KD and move to a rich club.

Good call.

Mittel family about £57B, Ecclestone £2B, Briatore I'm not sure seen it quoted about a billion. The Man City owner about £15B but he is splashing his.

Out of contract in July, I would have thought it would be an attractive move for him now to the richest club in the land.

We have to play players wide on the touch lines on their natural sides, it is just fundamental, apart from dead ball situations, a major proportion of goals are scored from moves initiated by wide players attacking towards the bye line. Our wide men are always narrow, never go for the outside option, and when on the opposite side to play are always sucked in to the near post, instead of 20yds out on the corner of the penalty area and be able to attack the overhit cross or the back post. I think the coaching and management is poor. I thought the changes were crass, Lallana looked lost in midfield but did a lovely lay off for Saganowski's goal. Schneiderlin and Surman were not playing as a pair, had no bite and easily were split. We didn't really play two banks of four and completely lost our shape in the second half. I felt the only way to get at Doncaster, as soon as they went three in the middle was down the lines and we weren't able to do that. James hitting cross after cross in on the fortyfive angle was too easy for the defenders.

From a mathematical point of view Ron, there are about 50% plus maybe 5% unissued that are not allied to Lowe. If in the unlikely event the shareholders all feel the same way about Lowe and had a figurehead organisation to represent them, decisions by referendum, he could be ousted.

He says an empty stadium is the only way to bring home the fans feelings. He feels that if there was an empty or near empty stadium for a match things would come to a head. It would need the media, Echo, websites, tv news, etc aware and more importantly publicising the fact. I have two season tickets and would not go if there was a demonstrated will to follow this route. Lowe only owns 6% of the shares, if he is proved to be an expensive liability, he would have to be sacrificed by the axis/Barclays/Norwich Union. Besides if the team are nervous of playing in front of the fans we might be doing them a favour not going.

I think 10% of the shareholding is needed. Firstly it needs Crouch/Corbett onside with 16%ish, form an association, with high profile figures, MLT, LM, Salz, Trant, connected. Appeal to the 40%ish of small shareholders not in the Lowe/Wilde/Askham axis to proxy their shares to the association. Provided enough votes can be obtained, then an EGM could be called and could remove the present incumbents.

The trust through it's inactivity, silence, minority membership is a tainted organisation. It needs something fresh without any of the people and politics involved in the trust. The small shareholders, if they feel that way, need to combine in an association to represent the 55%ish shares that are not owned by the Lowe/Wilde axis. High profile figures need to be involved, MLT, LM, no politicians, Crouch/Corbett who own 16%ish of the shares, Salz, Fulthorpe, Trant, whoever. Just not the trust, it has no appeal to the average fan who view it as a discredited busted flush.

I couldn't believe the substitutions. Taking Perry off was crass. As soon as Doncaster scored they made a substitution and went three in the midlle and played narrow, compacting the defence. We then brought Adam Lallana on, neither winger played on the touchline but then they never do, Lallana except for a couple of runs floated around in midfield and never really threatened. We then tried to batter the door down, conceded an absolutely awful goal, which I am sure wouldn't have happened if Perry had been on and backing up Saeijs and James. I thought Molyneux was lightweight, for me Skacel back next week. Unless we play natural left/right players wide on the touchlines we won't win another game at home. If Portvleit wanted to cause some damage, he should have left Holmes/Smith on the left, BWP on the right, put Lallana up alongside Saganowski with Mcgoldrick in support. Taken off Molyneux and Schneiderlin who was pretty ineffective today and played Surman and Gillett in the middle with Perry, Saeijs, and James at the back using Holmes and BWP essentially as wingbacks. As it was the changes completely knackered the teams shape, the players didn't know what the hell they were trying to play and the second half was a shambolic mess. I thought Saeijs looked a good player.

I heard David Armstrong's account, the people he was visiting weren't his guests, they were people he knew, and went in to see. Rubbish decision by the jobsworth.

Thr right result in the end, Keegan won the B team Poll, now for the main one. Ron Davies for me.

To be fair Tim, I have listened to your comments, as a coach you see it differently, your comments are pretty well on the mark, talking about shape, lack of width, targeting areas, dead ball situations etc. Despite not being at the matches you are pretty well summing up what I see not happening.

She's a well connected agent, facilitated Man City takeover I think.

No thanks, Lallana doesn't want to, won't and can't play wide right, if you want him in the team without totally knackering the shape and width, he has to play in a central position either midfield or striker. It looks like same again this week, unless tinkerman does something silly, maybe bring Skacel back in next week unless the team play well, then leave well alone.

And if some ruthless bastard does him in the first 10 mins and ruins his career, will most people just not care.

I'm voting for Ron Davies. George O'Brien, Derek Reeves.

He is the moderator that managed the poll. Read back and you'll see he has said he won't do any more polls, because of the criticism. In any event it has served it's purpose. If he was excluded from the A team I'm sure there would be a reaction. The problem really is that the rules are simple but not simple enough for some people.

Got time to spare, It is difficult to tell if they are unintentionally stupid or trying a wind up. Not that clever I think.

Ron is for me the best. I have watched Saints since 1954. If he is voted into this B team he will be rated third/fourth best Saints striker in this poll. He then is disqualified from the A team. As it is, it looks like he will be saved, provided Keegan wins this poll.

Your two favourite strikers, it's up to you. But it sounds like you've voted for your favourite striker to be in the B team.