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Rumours of Crouch at SMS fri, JP resigns, Wilde makes statement. Unlikely I know.

George O'Brien or Derek Reeves

Duncan, you have a pm.

Wotte is permanent temporarily. If he starts winning he will take the heat out of it. If he continues the poor results he's on borrowed time.

I think your letter published in the Echo tonight could have concentrated his mind.

Out of the frying pan into the fire. This has to stop now. It needs a first class manager not a DoF.

Jan Portvliet has resigned, Mark Wotte is head coach. www.saintsfc.co.uk

I'm not a shareholder, I saw it in last nights Echo and put it on here to try and publicise it.

I'm not sure about the administration bit Bill, I think if we go down, we may go down again. Administration would be an awful situation, but it would cause Lowe a big problem. Wilde won't work with Crouch and would need him to take over again. I couldn't see Lowe letting that happen.

This could certainly put the pressure on in any event, together with the planned demonstrations and negative publicity, especially being now publically reviled. Did you or your wife know Brian Howards girlfriend, longhaul cabin staff at BA.

1 and 3 together with the atmosphere and demonstrations could be assumed as far as the board and banks are concerned as the effluent hitting the oscillator. I fear relegation more than administration as cloth and measure will be the name of the game.

I think the pot is beginning to boil, a demonstration. shares initiatives (de vere, website), calls for a boycott, it would need the non season ticket holders to not go.

I think in total there are over 4000 shareholders accounting for 80% Many anonymous.

In other words, an unholy mess, that allows a

The figures and the detail available led me to the same conclusion. Prior to being given the detail, I was working from memory and just the knowledge of the major shareholders. I didn't realise until now the complexity of the shareholdings. It looks pretty impossible to takeover unless a really good offer is made.

I can't really see how there could be a takeover, unless there was an offer for all the shares that was too good to refuse.

I have pretty much come to the same conclusion. It needs interested parties to come forward. Of course if some of the 40 were added to some of the 20% then that might be a sizeable figure. The easy way is Wilde bailing out.

I've just seen some figures, about 80% of the shares are held by about 40 shareholders but many of these are held by nominee accounts. It is difficult to pick out who owns what. The remainder are held by many (possibly thousands) small shareholders. It would need Wilde to turn or all the minor shareholders plus Crouch, Corbetts, etc to combine with enough of the non Lowe axis to bring a change. The sheer complexity of the shareholdings is the biggest problem. Most are just uncontactable in the normal way, it would only be if enough wanted change and came forward.

I've got some figures now, about 40 shareholdings hold about 80%, the balance is owned by many small shareholders. In many cases it is impossible to see which shareholder supports which side. However, if the shareholders owning the shares are abstaining there will be no change. If an initiative persuades the non aligned shareholders to support a change it could become very interesting.

Thanks.

I'll just have to take your word for it, but the maths just don't add up. If this and subsequent meetings and initiatives unite all the anti shareholders it will be interesting to see the figures.

That's precisely what I'm having a problem with, who owns the outstanding balance, how many and are they aligned. The published Lowe camp only have about 36%, how many unpublished do they control and what is Corbett family holding? I thought that was about 6% but it's not shown.

Not convinced at all, but I would like to see the figures as they don't add up at the moment. The published figures when there looked like being a vote, left about 25-30% unaccounted for. Then seeing that only 17% changed the balance of power, the other shareholders never got involved. I believe about 5% not issued.

That leaves about 54% unissued or unaccountable.