hypochondriac

The team is going to be utterly unrecognisable next year. No point throwing kids in, most players who play now won't be here next year and those who are should look half decent with the lower standards.

You wouldn't rely solely on government classifications of course that would be silly but in general it's a fairly reliable guide. I'm very comfortable that Hamas have met a standard to be described as a terrorist organisation and for members to be referred to as either terrorists themselves or terrorist supporters. Quite telling those who seem to have a problem with doing so.

You're a terrorist supporter in that scenario. I'd be satisfied with the BBC referring to Hamas members as terrorist supporters if we want to be pedantic about it.

Untrue. I want to define those who are members of Hamas - a terrorist group - as members of a terrorist group. Supporters of Hamas are terrorist supporters clearly. I'm happy for Hamas members to be referred to as terrorist group members if it's more accurate.

Using that logic can you ever call anyone a terrorist? I'm sure you can find some governments that would never refer to any terrorist organisation as such but that doesn't make it a fact. Not calling a terrorist what they are down plays the seriousness of who they are and in some cases could be viewed as sympathising with them to some degree.

Now you've lost me. If you're a member of a terrorist group then you're a terrorist. There's really no dispute. Hamas are a terrorist group and if you're a member of Hamas then you're a terrorist.

They are terrorists by the definition of the word and are described as such by our government. It's not a matter of opinion.

Npr or the TV equivalent in America woild probably refer to them as such. Not sure what the relevance is to the BBC referring to Hamas as terrorists though. It's not like anyone would shy away from referring to Isis by that description because there's no dispute.

OK just so it's clear that in this particular situation it's a fact that Hamas are terrorists.

Yes he will. He's done enough to get a move for decent cash.

In what situation are Hamas members not terrorists?

Seems like a nice guy but put our reserve bloke in charge for the last few to get the three points we need to avoid utter embarrassment.

Got my haircut today and the barber said he's had a new analyst in who came with spors and doesn't speak much English. Just said "saints shit" which isn't much of a surprise!

Quite clearly, if our government proscribes a group as a terrorist group then it's factually accurate to describe members as terrorists.

Not sure this is appropriate for the main thread but the value of it isn't really the point. The point is it's a mandatory fee.

Sounded like the new bloke in charge explicitly ruled that out. Besides, most of them should have a market for them as they are half decent championship players. The likes of Onuachu, Sulemana, Downes, THB, Ramsdale, Dibling, Aribo, Bednarek, Archer, Armstrong should all be relatively easy to sell if we want to. Lallana, kwp, ugochukwu and the bloke on loan will also be going as well so that's the vast majority of the team binned off if we fancy it.

Maybe but the alternative would be trying to get a tune out of players we know aren't up for it.

Great news. The more active we are, the more likely we are to bin off as many of our players as possible.

Christ that's emotional. What an incredible man and what amazing words.

I agree 100%. Thays why last season was our best season since we qualified for Europe.

We can develop more of that stuff once we have an established prem team again if we ever get there.

It's not about wanting less, it's about being realistic. We won't be keeping hold of most of those players sadly. It's judt modern football.

Agreed. We would maybe have at best three or four players who could play in the prem from a promotion team. The rest would all need replacing once promoted.

What are you defining as good enough? A squad consists of a large group of players with differing abilities, some will play next year and clearly not be up to the Prem but they will still be important players for promotion. Every single team who gets promoted has players like that and I agree that we don't want too many because it will make the rebuild following promotion too large for one season. The likes of Armstrong and Charles are now proven Championship performers and it would be foolish to bin them off just because they can't make it in the prem. In the case of Armstrong I'd keep him to get goals for us next year and then I'd sell him. In answer to some of your questions with some players: Ramsdale- Gone Bazunu- I'd like to sell in an ideal world but only if we can bring in a better keeper which isn't a guarantee so will likely stay. KWP- Gone Bree- I'd keep for the squad and then get rid if we get promoted. I don't think he has a loser mentality nor has he really let us down even though he isn't particularly spectacular. Sugawara- Sounds like he's off anyway and would be no great loss THB- Will be sold and we will get substantially more for him than you were suggesting Wood- I'd keep if possible he's been better than I thought he would be Edward- Seems like an exciting signing and potential there to progress and maybe be ready for the prem. Bednarek- I'd sell. Wellington- Looks good to me Manning- Get rid Stephens- Get rid Downes- Is obviously going in the summer. Proven quality in the Championship but rubbish in the prem. Charles- Looks decent in the Championship now playing a different way and with clear potential in the prem. I'd keep hold of him if we can. Smallbone- I'd sell if we can but otherwise I'd have him as a squad player in the Championship. Aribo- Sounds like he is leaving. I'd consider trying to keep him if we can but if not it's not the end of the world Fernandes- Really hope we can keep him for a season. Think he would be great and potential to be a success in the prem in the right setup. Armstrong- I'd keep him in the championship as a proven performer. Will get us goals and I doubt we would be able to get someone better in our position. Sell after promotion. Lallana- No point keeping. Will probably retire. Dibling- Gone Edozie- I'd like to take a look at him to see how he has developed. He's still young and there's potential there for improvement. Frazer- Get rid Sulemana- Undecided but on balance I'd probably sell if we can get something half decent for him. In the right setup I still think he could be a success in the Championship. Onuachu- Sell and replace Archer- Should keep him in my opinion. I still think he could be a prem squad player in a half decent team. So based on that it doesn't sound like we would disagree much. I am proposing there to get rid or sell fourteen players. That is a huge change to the team with lots of new players needed. I would expect as a minimum new signings for: GK RB CB DM x2 Winger Striker x 2 with a potential new strongest 11 of: GK RB Edward CB Wellington Charles CM Fernandes Armstrong Winger Archer/New Striker Obviously that team would then be supplemented by squad players such as potentially Smallbone, Wood, Bree, Edozie looking to replace them. I'm not sure what about that you would consider unrealistic?

Are we sure nic isn't a soggy alter ego to make him look reasonable and intelligent by comparison?