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REmind me again what it is that these hedge funds see profit wise in the few? Has something changed that I missed? Last I looked they had everything mortgaged to old owners, and were heading for the CCC with at least £20m of debts that HAVE to be paid unless they want to start in August with a big points penalty. Maybe they sold out a vital relegation match.

A rich poopey fan might want to buy the club. Exactly what is in it for anyone else? remind me somebody.................

its just time to get the membership scheme restarted. There certainly are genuine fans who have missed out here. I know of one who has been to the majority of home games this season , but missed the MK game, and is not going to Wembley. He DESERVED a ticket for Wembley.

presumably they have signed contracts through to June or whenever, which are now "football debts". So they can't send them back. As regards storrie and other employees, there is nothing to stop the administrator getting rid of anybody. The administrator doesn't have to honour any contacts from before admin. This applies to players too, but the "football debts" rule means that they have to honour or face a certain and huge points deduction next season, not a great way to sell a club. I think !!

quite. AND if the hand of god had been disallowed and we had gone on to win, it would have been pretty bloody memorable. As indeed it would have been if maradona's genuine wonder goal had settled the match. Football is badly run on and off the pitch . Its like having the worlds greatest sport run by Eastleigh council.

so brum's goals are being allowed to count tonight then ??...............

He is a class act, and would walk into our current midfield IMO. Would love to have him back.

Don't think that many REALLY want to see you go forever.where would the fun be in that? But I do think most Saints feel that your financial crimes are a great deal worse than ours were. We got punished pretty badly for a £4m overdraft we couldn't repay and a mortgage we couldn't service. A nine point penalty for all that debt that pfc has seems pretty much a slap on the wrist to us, when we are facing at least another year in L1 .Especially true as you knocked us out of the cup with players you patently can't afford. Still we will , with a bit of luck on our side , see you in the CCC in a couple of years and we can return to the usual stuff. Oh, and I say this as a taxpayer , as well as a Saints fan !!

I didn't say that. But I was there in 74, 75,etc. We battled it out for relegation, which we both failed to avoid.The 75 game was a war off the pitch. At the time we were rivals in terms of the football ladder, because, huge club though they were, they were for a few years at the same playing level as us. As I suggested, for a couple of years, united were our playing rivals. Nothing of course to compare with citeh or Liverpool, (though I think that the Liverpool rivalry has grown if anything over the years). Of course united didn't really view us as big time rivals. But for a short time their games against us were big matches even for them. And if you dont think so, think about how much their fans STILL resent the 76 final win.They still go on about it. Perhaps rivalry is the wrong word- but there was a special intensity in our encounters at that time.

"we are Southampton We are the best. We hate United we hate the rest......" was how one song went.Our paths crossed with them quite a bit 73-77, and there was a pretty intense feel at the games. Other clubs of course had that with Utd too, but it WAS there. As for Gordon Brown, what he actually meant to say was: " With the parlous state of public finances, I intend to get every single penny owed to HMRC, as it is stolen public money, nothing more or less. I will also enact a special law to deny them a CVA under any circumstaces, and send the thieving skates to the wessex league where they belong. ".

There seems to be some funny stuff going on. AS far as I am aware, when a company goes into aministration, the administrator comes in and Does the following: gets of everybody and everything that isn't immediately essential to keep the business afloat, or who doesn't help bring cash in. Football clubs are slightly different in that the players contracts need to be honoured as they are a football debt, and need to be honoured for the golden share. Yet at poopey, storyteller gets to stay, (Why? he's just a cost) chainrai still seems to be pulling strings, ( presumably because his money is one of the few sources of income that the administrator has). All smells of a pre arranged deal.

If the skates try to do a prepack administration, they presumably still need a CVA to avoid further points penalties.(Hopefully for next season). Is that correct, or can you not have a CVA on that type of administration?

is there a possibility that chainrai could be planning a prepack administration? might that work for him? Don't think its ever happened at a football club before- presumably would still have to pay up HMRC and footy debts or incur more points penalties.

just for fun mind............. If you add back the -10, add on 4 more points that we might get if we had played 32 games , and also add a notional extra 8 that we might have got from the first 7 games when we were still buying a team we STILL would only have 60 points. Thats playoff form. Which perhaps tells us where we are. To get automatic promotion next season we have to have a big improvement from where we are now.Perhaps this will come as the team plays together more. Certainlt hope so !!

"all he has to do .................."??!!

regarding the proposed takeovers, could someone remind me why anybody in their right mind, who had, say, £25m spare cash, would want to spend it on a hopelessly indebted PL club, with almost no assets, on the brink of relegation? If they do stay up, at least there is the sky money to launder, but if they go down.......? Perhaps I have missed something. And just to bulk out one of my three threads, if a team with Higgy, Delap, and fuller can thrive in the PL, surely we can win 14 of our remaining games to reach the playoffs?

in 2007/08 the lowest PL wage bill was derby at over 26m. That is two years ago, and all but 2 clubs were over 30 m. I think its safe to assume that poopeys bill including paye and nNI is at least 2 .5 m, and probably higher. My guess is that the £1.8m was a net figure excluding PAYE.

in general, clubs that fall out of the PL lose 25 % straight away. So if poopey fall into the CCC ( a result for them IMO !!) expect them to average around 14 to 15 K. I suspect that it might be at the higher end as I suspect that a lot of their softer support has already gone due to poor performances, high prices, all round criminality at every level .

Think stanmore tube has a decent car park. Looks reasonable price, and straight to wembley.

Pards HAS successfully closed out games, on some occasions. At Millwall we let in a really late goal, but then again we scored as really late one too. Point being............. as this team grows and develops conceding late goals will disappear from their game, hopefully. One thing that league 1 has shown all too clearly is the value of team building over time. (Swindon, Millwall etc etc) AP isn't perfect.He will make mistakes.But surely if we have learned one lesson from the last 5 years its that we need to be patient with good managers, because even with the good ones, things go wrong. But for a few tiny differences, we could have taken poopey to the cleaners today, and AP would have been a "legend" But we didn't.And he isn't. But he might be. So it goes. (mind you , I wish he could find just one player apart from Ricky to take free kicks)

Just wanted to clear up how you are certain that your players are better motivated than ours. Thats pretty bloody amazing inside knowledge if you ask me. Do you know anything else interesting?

AS an aside, in the Martin Samuels Daily Mail piece, he says that the dmise of Aldershot and Maidstone is the reason that there are 92, not 94 teams in the league. As I recall, there have generally been 92 at the start of the season. The "old" leagues were Divs 1 and 2 22 clubs. Divs 3 and 4 24 teams. So is he talking rubbish or am I mistaken? No actual quotes from scudamore in that article either.

I would have said that the PL have taken leave of their senses- but that assumes that they had any in the first place. WHY do poopey need to be saved? There are plenty of precedents for clubs going to the wall mid season. Perhaps if it happens to a PL club it might make some of the idiots who run some of the clubs think before they give squad players £80k a week. If they do bail them out,I hope the other clubs adversely affected sue them into the middle of next year. Whats more there are any number of implications, not least for the skates. If they get the £11 m, what on earth are they going to do for money next season, especially if they are relegated. More short term loans? If they are insolvent now, bringing forward a payment that is already in their cash flow projections won't save them for more than 6 months, it just keeps them trading- for now. FWIW, i reckon chances of the other PL chairman going for this must be pretty small. It really sends out a great signal to all the well run clubs, too. Why bother, get to the PL, and you can get away with anything- anything to save the brand.

anyone care to list poopeys known liabilities, other than the debts to gaydamac and chainrai? Presumably these two gents would be happy to restructure their debts rather than get nothing much from a wind up or admin.

well the attendance thing won't help much.