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Win tonight, win saturday and win our game in hand next tuesday then its on. Swindon have Norwich at home saturday, if they lose the gap could be 7 points by next wednesday with 9 to go. Its ifs and buts and still a big ask but its more realistic. The two realistically catachable teams have tough run ins, with Swindons looking particularly nasty Norwich (h) Leeds (a) Colchester (a) Millwall (a) Colchester Millwall (H) Swindon (h) Huddersfield (a) We have probably the easiest run in off all the teams up there, with only charlton at home to come form the top 6 although we do have the two teams immediately above us and the one immediately below us to play away yet. Its doable but we definitely need to win tonight and thereafter 9 out of our last 11, which is a tall order.

I think that is a charge they call knowingly concearned, ie if you know a crime has or is about to be commited but dont try to stop it or report it then you may just as well have done it yourself and the charges and sentances are the same as if you had.

Why dont you pipe down and go to bed you ****ing ben sherman shirted mong.

Re taxes & charges-do you not think the police will go for the highest possible charges? Do you not think they have to do this to justify the cost of the investigtion and operation? If posts are true that the people involved have been charged with violent disorder then that is scandelous. there is no way on earth that charge is warranted compared to what you see going on in city centres at weekends. Since when have the government been concearned with squandering tax payers money on football related trials? It wasnt so long ago that estimates of a football related trial went to £4m. According to some reports passers by were "running for theirs lives" from a battle the press dubbed resembled a scene from the film Braveheart, but in reality no one was hurt, either the hooligans involved or these supposed innocent passers by, no property damaged and the so called battle was over in less than a minute, was that a good use of tax payers money, our money? Did the police give a toss about that? no, they got their headlines and thier convictions that was all they gave a toss about. Re 5 o'clock knock, usually for terrorists, serious organised drug dealers and criminals, oh and a bloke that threw a stone after a football match. Guarenteed that the dawn raids will be headlines in the papers and the lead story on local news as the police justify the cost in a blaze of publicity and frenzy. For whose benifit? What was the most read story on the echo website today? The public, the police, the media, eveyone loves a good football violence story dont they. 6 front pages echo stories in a month, half a TV documentry on it, the media provides it and the public lap it up, whilst pretending to hate it and condem it everyone knows the public are secretly fasinated by it all and the media and police absoutely love it. Re Knuckle dragging minority, such arrogance, need i say more?

Well for one, the women and kids were nothing to do with me, there is no place for woman at football. And as for the nick i'll see you there and you can be my ***** :heart:

There is a vast difference to the actions of the people involved in what the media and police would have you believe was the battle of Freeborn garage, to what went on in the 80's. Quite simply very little happened, i know i was there, i saw it with my own eyes. The only ones glorifying the so called violence are the police and the media. The police used ever available medium to show what they were doing, they even had a film crew following them round and interviewing them on the day of the game FFS! The echo have made it front page news on half a dozen occasions., its been glorified by the echo to sell papers and by the police who are obviously keen to show A/ They weren't at fault by letting the fans out at the same time and b/justify the cost of the operation and C/ Quite clearly enjoyed the attention. Obviously there are a few idiots who have stuck it on you tube but in reality what? lots of standing around shouting, lots of posturing, no one hurt, no one injured, no real violence. As i've stated i am neither condeming nor condoning the actions of those involved, but the simple fact is does someone deserve having their picture on the front page of the echo, so their family employers etc can see, do they derserve trumped up charges, punishment and sentances for doing what on another day in another place would not even warrent a mention in the paper or an arrest?

I know this is totally going of the subject but it is quite interesting. What about these people that stab someone once, but get aquited of murder but guilty of manslaughter as it cant be proven they meant to kill them? Surely stabbing someone they must know that there is chance the person may die?

no it would be manslaughter, if you hit them and they died you cannot prove it was meant to kill. There have been numerous cases of this, in fact someone i know wa aquited of manlaughter around 10 years ago, they punched someone who had been hassling them in self defence, the guy fell to the floor and hit his heard on the curb and died, but was aquited as CCTV proved it was self defence. there was also the incident outside Branigans a few years back when a guy was punched, hit his head and did, the guy that died it was convicted of manslaughter and sentanced to one year.

Right again, stumpy. If everyone was punished on what could happen everytime someone breaks the speed limit they should be banged up for 5 years because they could have run someone over and killed them. talking about intent did the lad that threw the stone think "f'ck me, i hope this takes on of those coppers eyes out and blinds them for life" - of course they didn't. The whole thing is a joke. If this is all Hampshire Police have to do with themselves then they should be embarassed. Violent Disorder charges for this are a joke. Everyone would have forgotten about the supposed scenes of mass violence outside SMS that day If it wasn't for the echo & police glorifying the "incident", sticking CCTV images on every media source available, having a 10 minute slot prime time BBC tv the monday after and generally making a big song and dance about doing their bloody jobs! It was a nothing incident, which could have been avoided totally if the police had used common sense and kept the skates inside the ground after the game, you might think the arrests and charges are more about covering their own arses and justifying their existance and the cost of the operation rather than actually wanting to bring the so called criminals to justice.

considering we've only ever won one trophy in our history then any chance of silverware however minor some might view it is not to be sniffed at.

You never know. It depends on what they are charged with, realistically it should be no more than criminal damage or threatening words and behaviour but the police might argue violent disorder which if football related can carry a custodial. That would be extremely harsh but a lot of pompey fans got banged up after the 04 game for throwing stones etc, although of course that was on a much larger scale. If the police & courts want to make examples of people then they can also hand out deterant sentances (which are a joke, but thats another arguement) which are automatically inflated sentances as they are supposed to act as a warning to others. A lot depends on the courts and police at the time and politics, think about death by dangerous driving, people a few years ago people were getting community service yet when it came into the public eye the sentances were inflated accordingly. If they want to make examples of people they will. With England bidding for the world cup, then maybe they might.

Jumping up and down behind the police, arms outstreached as if on a trampoline, nothing to do with Green Street, just what i call it.

What on earth girls you the right to say what i am saying is a load of rubbish? Okay so some people may have been frightened, but i had women, young kids around me and none of them appeared the least bit bothered by the supposed riot that was going on about 20 foot away and actually went out of their way to have a look at what was going on. Might i add, that i went over to have a look at what was going on to, i was not involved in anyway so am not trying to justify the incident or the actions of those involved. The point i am making is that the incident has been massively blown out of proportion by the police and the echo, as usual. The claims of bricks and missles going backwards and forwards are simply exageration. Compared to what happened at WHU v Millwall, previous Man U v Liverpool, Celtic v rangers and even previous Saints v Pompey games in Southampton and Portsmouth the incident was nothing. And for throwing a stone across a fence do people really need to have their pictures on the front of the echo, 5 o'clock knocks in a blaze of publicity (you can guarentee the dawn raids if there are any will be headline news on meridian) likely community service maybe even Prison (i kid you not) if they really want to make examples and lenghty football bans, when if they'd done the same thing on a friday night in town they'd be given a £80 fine and told not to be so naughty again. Will you or i feel safer at football and in life in general knowing that some bloke shouted and trampolined at some Pompey fans across a fence and behind a load of police is now doing community service, in prision and banned from football for 5 years? I for one wont. The only winners in this are the police who get to justify their massive fees and congratulate themselves on a job well done, the echo because it sells papers, everyone loves a story about football trouble dont they? Just have a look at what is the most read story on the echo website today.

I dont often agree with you Stu, your dress sense is horrdeous and you look like something our of the goonies but you are correct on this occasion. There was one plastic chair thrown over the fence, one hub cap and a few stones and plastic bottles, that is all. Hardly the riots and carnage the echo is glorifying it too be with fans ripping down everything they can get their hands on. There were women in that crowd in Freeborns with a number of people wondering over to have a look at what was going on, no one was terrified like the police would have you believe, i know this because i was one of them, i had a look to see what all the fuss was about and it was hardly people fearing for their lives with missles, bricks and chairs going backwards and forwards as the echo and Police would have you believe. Usual media and police frenzy over something very minor. Yet the fellas that did it now have their faces on the front of the paper and likely to be on trumped up charges because it happened after a football match. if they had done the same or worse in town on a saturday night then it wouldn't even get a mention and likely a slap on the wrists from the police if they were unlucky. I am not condeming or condoning their behaviour and dont know any of them so have no personal loyalty and they should know if you get nicked at footie you face being stitched up in terms of punishment but lets have a bit of perspective for once. This sort of thing happens at every derby, it doesn't mean its right but it does go on and events at our game are very minor in comparison.

Did you see anyone "smashing the **** out of everytihng on CCTV"? I sure as hell didn't. This is blantent OB overkill as usual, patting themselves on the back, look at us what a great job we did, scenario. Although you happy clappy types might believe a few people stood either side of a fence shouting at each other constitutes world war three the fact is despite a lot of postuering, running around and shouting very very little happened. Go into any town centre on a friday night and you will see far far worse with probably only slaps on the wirst and fines handed out. It will be interesting to see what if any charges are brought about as the only possible one i can see is threatening words and behaviour, which would warrant a caution or a £80 fine if it happened in town on a friday night.

Who gives a ****? i dont go to football to see ****s with microphones trying to gee up the crowd who to a man are thinking, "who is the **** with the microphone", or any of the other idiotic attempts to "entertain" us by having fat ****s run on the pitch wearing a wig, freeloaders trying to kick the ball more than 5 yards in a straight line or for that matter premiership quality pies, hot dogs and beer. I go to watch the game and dont give toss what happens before, after or at half time.

Well considering we have progressed from bottom at the start of the season to 11th to date, if we progress at the current rate we will be top by christmas so i for one wont be disapointed with that.

after the high of saturday a win was expected, but even so 4 points from 2 away games is a reasonable return. Between now and the JPT final we have 5 home games, 4 against teams above us and two very winnable away games against a poor tranmere and an MK Dons side we have well beaten three times this season. By the end of march the table could have a very different look about it. Its a long shot, but a draw away at Wycombe changes nothing.

He was quality i remember as a young kid watch him play in the world cup 86 for Northern Ireland, think he was playing for Bournemouth at the time and he scored for them and saying to my dad that i hoped we signed him, a few weeks later my dad came home from work with the echo and said to me "Saints have signed your mate" i was overjoyed, remember it like it was yesterday, even remember it was for £400k which was a lot of money back then. He was quality for us, scored something like 23 goals in his first season. Remember being in the Milton road end and seeing him score a cracker against Man City in a 1-1 draw, cut in from the left, beat a couple of players and smashed in past the City keeper. Always remember after his first season him moaning a bit about wanting to move to a bigger club and ending up at QPR of all places. Great player for us, probably in my top 10 favourites of all time.

I dont get why people think our league form has been average. Since the beginning of December we have won every game at home. Our away games have been at tough places. Leeds and Colcheter have two of the best home records in the country and we narrowly lost at both, neither of which is a disaster, we drew away at Millwall & Brentford and probably should have beaten both, they have only lost at home once and twice respectively. Leeds and Norwich, the two best teams in the league bot lost at Millwall and Norwich lost at Brentford whilst Leeds drew. Exeter, again we should have won but they recently beat Leeds at home. So in short we have had 5 really tough away games and only lost once and did better at Millwall, Brentford & Exeter than the top two have. So our results at these places have been better overall than the top two sides in the division. Once Norwich is out of the way next week we have a run in of winnable games with 3 of the top 6 to come to SMS. By the end of March we could be within striking distance of the play offs. Since December in the league we have played 10 W5 D3 L2- a total of 18 points, whilst not great considering our away games have been at some of the toughest places i actually think its a reasonable return.

WT was excellent last night, and i agree he is out best right back in the absence of Murty. Kind of see what people are saying about him over reacting but looking at it another way it was a performance full of passion and desire to win, loved his reation to the third goal. You could look at it another way and say WT stood up to MK Dons attempts to bully us last night, certainly they did get a bit aggresive with some of the younger players and the guy that got booked was playing up as soon as he came on. If some of the players during our two relegation seasons had show half the fight he showed last night we would never have gone down.

If we are going to do it then i'd love to see a return to the Keegan kit, it was the first kit i remember us playing in and was worn by our best ever team. I'd love to see us in that again, love too.

just got through, took about 10 minutes of ringing, guy i spoke to said they are bombed, stressed and systems are going slow. So be patient and polite!!!

alright, you must be mates though. Anyone who rates that sort of **** must be bessie pals or lovers. Dan Kerrins used to post on the old SF board. Tell him next time you've got a mouthful of his jizz that he's a **** ****.

I seem to remember in the old days of saintsforever Crab Lungs being Dan Kerins, quite sad to devote a thread to bigging up your own article. Isn't the idea that other people talk about how good your article is not yourself? "One of the best pieces of journalism I've read in recent years" Yes compared to that clown in the echo who rights the awful singles in the city article every week and mugs himself off with his embarassing exploits but When you've finished ****ing over yourself I suggest you start reading a few proper papers if you really believe that your quite average article is truely "One of the best pieces of journalism I've read in recent years"