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"Originally Posted by Thedelldays as for craig david..I was a year above him at school and he was a big saints fan then... Still doesn't change the fact that I heard him say he was a Chelsea fan. Theakston said 'I thought you were from Southampton' to which CD replied 'Yeah, that's my home town, but I follow Chelsea'. Obviously a glory seeking ****! " I remember him claiming to be a saints fan when he first became known, then all of a sudden i started reading he was a Chelsea fan, then before the cup final he was interviewed as one of our famous fans, and then a few months lateer read he was a Cheslea fan again. Is probably really a saints fan but guess he claims to be Chelsea as he probably thinks its better for his image. Talking of which i am sure Fiona Phillips is supposed to be a Saints fan but was on telly a few weeks ago saying she too was a Chelsea fan.

He did, but he's Still a knob though isn't he.

you will be fine. Dont panic.

Indeed, its only after disaster can we be resurected New Order are a fitting tribute to the late Ian Curtis. Have you seen Control? The story of curtis's life. Its only really after watching control that i understood the deeper termoil in his fragile mental state and the true meaning of the lyrics to Love Will tear us apart. It is engraved on his gravestone and it is about his wife deborah curtis. in which he had a hard time being faithful and really just had a hard time dealing with life and sort of a chaotic mental exsistance. very poetic ..and I believe it to be possibly early signs of his increasingly suicidal mentality.

What about New Order? It's hard to choose a favorite among so many great tracks, but Blue Monday is one of the best, most powerful songs ever written about self-preservation, Blue Monday is someone's experience. An experience, that in part, symbolizes the lengths humans will go to when freedom is threatened by fascism or dictatorship Its universal message crosses all boundaries and instills one with the hope that it's not too late to better ourselves. Since it's often impossible in this world we live in to empathize with others, we can always empathize with ourselves. It's an important message, crucial really. And it's beautifully stated in this song.

Do you like The Stone Roses? Their early work was a little too new wave for my tastes, like Mersey Paradise, but when their self titled debut album came out in 89, I think they really came into their own, commercial and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. Brown has been compared to Elvis Constello but I think Ian has a far much more bitter, cynical sense of humour. In 95, the Roses released The Second Coming their most follow up album. I think their undisputed masterpiece is Love Spreads a song so catchy, most people probably don't listen to the lyrics. But they should, One thing I particularly liked about Love Spreads were the lyrics "The Messiah is my sister", which sound really innocuous when you hear them on the radio but in fact you're questioning thousands of years of Christianity by saying that. It's a casually controversial statement to make in a pop song and also a personal statement about the band itself.

I've been a big Jam fan ever since the release of their album Sound Effects. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too aggresive, too angry. It was on Sound effect where Paul Wellers presence became more apparent. thats Entertainment was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on the basic pleasures enjoyed by a benevolent society. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding four albums. just listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Weller, Foxton and butler. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Take the lyrics to Monday, a massively underrated song. In this song, Weller addresses the problems of longing, wistfulness and yearning in a reafirming way, Monday is the most moving pop song of the 1970's. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Wellers solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like Above the Clouds and Brand New Start. But I also think Weller works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. i've just put on You Do Something to me, a personal favourite of mine, a moving song about unrequited love and passion..

how come you didn't post this version? By the far the best...

People are fasinated by it.

For a start, no it wasn't me calling people thick, so dont even start with that ****. I assume from your being delighted to talk about taxes that you are someway employed in that field? The club may foot some/all of the bill for the cost of the operation on the day but what about the cost of the investigation & court cases? In any case the taxes comment was a very minor point in this whole debate. Nowhere have I slated the police for taking action, as you rightly say, if people do the crime they cant moan about the time, but the simple fact is this and my point, if you care to read my comments properly. Why should someone who throws a stone, punch, whatever, be treated more harshly than someone who does exactly the same thing on a different day in a different place? If a few "drunken oiks" choose to beat the **** out of each other outside a club on a saturday night, they get nicked, night in cells, fined, maybe a bit of community service if its their 10th offence etc then its forgotten. but if someone throws a stone at a football match there is a media frenzy, front page news with pictures all over the paper of the so called violent thugs involved. The police go into overdrive, giving the investigation a ridiculous name "operation somethingorother" numerous interviews, headlines, even TV programme made about it! FFS the police even had a film crew following them around on the day of the game!!! For these henious offences the protagonist have their faces splashed across the front page of the local wrag, on websites, on TV and hung out to dry, in reality, for what? the simple fact is that the media, the police, the public, absolutely love it. they love reading about it, they love talking about it, they love investigating it,they cant get enough, it sells papers it makes great TV apparantly, this thread is it's third page in a little over 12 hours with dozens of people with numerous views of the same incident. And you might not like it but the incident was minor, was anyone hurt? No. Depsite claims people were in fear of their lives there were little kids and women near me having a look at what was going on, which i exactly what i was doing before you say i was involved, no one seemed in the least bit bothered by the battle that was apprantly going on just a few feet away. In fact the only violence that day came form the police! Compare what happened to the G20 riots last year, i dont recall an "operation bang um up" for that!!!

Oh believe me, i am sure there are some on here that would!

What a load of nonsense, you cant sentance someone on what might happen. Otherwise everytime someone speeds they might run someone over and kill them, so therefore, by you reckoning, the 3 points and £60 fine for speeding should actually be a 5 year custodial for the new crime of driving with the potential to cause death by dangerous driving or speeding. Anyone with half an ounce of common sense sanity knows that the police and the media have blown this massively out of proportion. The cost of the investigation must be huge given the time spent in police man hours and court fees but at the end of the day are our streets going to be safer and you and I safer because a bloke who got a bit lairy outside SMS one day and threw a stone at the away fans is now mowing the lawn of of an old peoples home for 200 hours over the next few months or worst case, banged up. I'm so glad my taxes are being squandered on this. the whole thing is a farce, if it wasn't football related no one would know anything about it, let alone taking the moral high ground and giving out haughty opinions on it, lapping up every sentance in the paper and post on here. If these 13 blokes had had a bit of handbags at a concert or in town or anywhere else it'd had been dealt with by now, a £100 fine and off you go boys, none of this on bail and off to crown court nonsense. And why? Its all about the headlines.

because although he knows them, they think he's a ***** and dont speak to him.

Okay i give in, it was probably the most stupid idea i have ever seen anywhere, whoever came up with that idea needs sacking.

damn, i wanted to get all 11, put them on sticks and pass them to my friends so we can wave them at the TV cameras during the game. How did they select the 5 though? Surely some of the players who didn't get selected wouldbe upset that they are not as popular as the others, do you think this might effect their performance on sunday?

its quite obviously really, the main route to the ground from the train station was always going to be a flashpoint, as was outside the away end, keep away from those areas and i doubt you'd have even seen a skate let alone any aggro.

no i geniunely thought it was a great idea, the only problem was that if you wear a face mask it would smudge your face paints, if they could get ronud this major issue it would perfect.

oh right a total **** then, best not forget my wig and face paints sunday or people wont think i am a regular match goer.

He's not saying be soft on every crime, but i totally agree that the punishment dished out for football related "crimes" are well over the top in compaision to those given out for non football realted offences. If someone had thrown a stone on a friday night in town they'd get a £50 fine, at football likely 200 hours community service. The reason is absoultely totally completely that it is high profile and that eveyone salivates over football related crime. The plastic wannabe hooligan love it that their club get recoginsed as having a hooligan element, some take the tut tut, silly boys thought and there are an element which believe every football thug is Ian Huntley in Stone Island and should be publicly executed. The papers love it because it sells papers, just have a look what is the most read story on the echo site, everytime any football violence related incident takes place. The police love it because it gives them the chance to cover themselves in glory as they can exagerate the incident and claim how by banning, jailing, comm serving these mindless thugs the world is a much safer the place. The truth is like it or loathe it you lap it up and it fasinates everyone, its high profile media driven and they use their standard lines like "it resemembled a scene from Braveheart" "mindless thugs" enjoy reading the stories, posting about it and talking about it, we all know secretly you lot cant get enough of it.

What does a regular match goer looklike then?

Bolton v man u Brum v Arsenal Spurs v Skates Chelsea v Villa i usually six fold and put a couple of long shots in to get a decent return but have never won **** all in about 18 months so going to settle for little and often ;-)

so a double saturday of man U an Spurs is looking good, would you do an accumulator for Man U, spurs, Chelsea and Arsenal?

Whatever the reason its pretty disapointing, got all excited about it and then let down again, typical bloody echo.

Why? Is it one of those ones that flies like they had in Back to the Future 2?

Surely the'd have checked that out before starting printing them though? i am sure there are 1000's of disapointed fans just like me who feel the echo have failed us again.