Barry the Badger

I will be getting a ST if I can convince my cousin to do the same.

Our recent history is littered with players who at some point were written off by the majority of fans only to go on and prove us all wrong. Kenwyne Jones James Beattie Kevin Davies Kelvin Davis Ricardo Fuller For me, Kevin Davies is the most obvious one. He was terrible here in his last couple of years and we all wanted rid, but in a different club with a different style of play and management style he has been brilliant for Bolton.

Sorry but I don't agree with that at all Gonzo. He was never content here, he was never comfortable, he was never interested. I was excited when we got him as I thought he would turn things around, but from the second he arrived it was apparent he wasn't interested. He is clearly a good manager but was never going to do well here when he couldn't be bothered. He's a complete ****. My view on him will not soften, he took us down and then ****ed up our best chance of getting back.

You will learn my friend.

I'm not sure that's right. Surely we don't have to pay off the entire mortgage, just get it back on schedule if we're behind. We have nowhere near the level of 'bad' debt that Leeds had.

Interestingly, exactly the same thing happened when Leeds got relegated to L1... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-487614/Ipswich-chairman-blasts-weak-FA-Leeds-pitch-invasion.html

It would be pretty unprecedented for a club to get a points deduction for crowd trouble but I guess you never know with Mawhinney and his cronies watching our every move.

Not justifying anything but I think the ref had blown up, the benches were shaking hands and the linesmen were coming onto the pitch.

What happened at the end surprised me simply because the atmosphere in the Northam hadn't really been an angry one, passionate yes, but not really agressive. Wierd.

I think you've missed one group out there Um. The one which I probably fit into (how dare you ) Can't make every game but will come whenever possible regardless of what league we're in, how we're doing or who we're playing. Perhaps the problem with the attendances is that too many previously from this category have slipped into the 'give me a reason to go' category this season?

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11702 "We have to try and instill that bit of calm in our play as well, re-assuring players to go out there and do what they've been doing all season" We're screwed

But surely if it was the same for everybody across Europe a lot of those issues would be non existant?

Fair enough, just came across as you belittling fans who, misguided or not, at the end of the day are just trying to help their club. If what you're saying about the donations is true then your anger would definitely be better aimed at those doing the on-pitch/media begging rather than the fans who donate in the hope it will help.

Do you need a hand down from that pedestal? Well done for being so much better informed than everybody else, but you can't blame people for wanting to do what they can to help the club they love, regardless of the realities of the situation.

Surman has lost his way here a bit now. Always thought he was at his best as a winger but he's barely played there for 2 seasons. He will go to a good CCC club and do quite well I expect. If he did stay he would be a great assett in League 1 with a manager that could get the best out of him.

I was 20 when we signed Delap, and it depresses the hell out of me to think that he will quite possibly still be our record signing when I hit 30, 40, 50?

It's ok, everything is alright now, Rory still loves us http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/stoke_city/8014887.stm

I agree, can't believe we are not getting a full house myself. He's just bringing me down (even further) now though.

It does highlight how bad things have been when a man coming in and showing a bit of common sense, communication skills, and respect for the fans makes us all think he's the messiah. Long may it continue.

I would like to think the players will still want to finish outside the bottom 3 as much for their own pride as for the -10 we could avoid for next season.

Come on Adrian, change the record mate.

Mawhinney is an idiot. Grinning like he's enjoying it all. W*nker.

Agree. Let's not drag this on and on. Time for a clean slate, accept the penalty and get on with it, assuming there's still a club next season.

So now the players are basically playing to prevent us starting on -10 next season, although it's pretty unlikely anyway. Can't believe it's come to this.

For me a major part of the problem is the posts on here with people saying things like "I will still be a fan in League One" and "What the new owners need to do". What new owners? Some fans are taking it for granted that someone will come in and save us BEFORE we run out of money and so the urgency isn't there... It genuinely might not happen.