Greedyfly

Gotta disagree. Brighton simply stepped up 10 yards to stop us playing out from the back. Both teams were lethargic but we wanted it a bit more in the first half, them the second. Without Ing's pen we lose that game.

He's not even that ****ing fancy either.

I ****ing hope not.

This is interesting to read though, so thanks for offering some genuine insight.

And from people I've spoken to, and in the media. Seems a real mixed bag. Then I come on this thread and we're discussing some ****e songs so that was helpful.

Great, thanks. He sounds good.

How did he play on Saturday, I've read wildly conflicting views.

Not started well at all. He was very impressive in the champions league so I'm hoping it's an adaptive thing, but I'm not that hopeful based on evidence so far. He isn't the pace man we desperately needed (that's not his fault though) and the lack of speed throughout the team is pretty damaging. It makes us ridiculously one dimensional.

Good to see our history with creative players continues to be utterly dour. Elyounoussi sounds ****ing useless.

Awesome, making assumptions off of a third party account based on 27 mins of play in his first game for a club he moved to a day earlier. Also saying 'it's early days' isn't a get out clause, you simply shouldn't have mentioned it. Managers are often wrong by the way which is presumably why Shane Long (2 goals in 30 appearances last season) and 1 goal and 3 assists Redmond keep getting picked, they aren't infallible... Which essentially underlines my point. With **** like that still getting picked week in and out, there's littler harm changing it up with a youngster instead when his assist rate is basically the same. However a loan seems sensible to get him more game time. Again, the Newcastle game he was hardly going to swing the game in our favour, I doubt anyone would have it was that dour and with 10 other players hardly pulling in the same direction a 20 year old with no experience is unlikely to have been the catalyst for change. I hope he does well for Reading but it's a tough league. It's also not a sole barometer for whether a player is any good or not

Then lets not pretend he was culpable for the Newcastle disaster when he had zero support from senior members of the team, you can't have it both ways. I am not against his loan and I am not defending him as one of our own (I do think he's a decent player though) as already stated but lets not pretend he's been afforded the same opportunities as say Redmond, Long and friends who have woefully under-performed the last two seasons yet still get a shot at the first team with no questions asked.

He came on against Liverpool and finished off the game with direct running and a good assist, he started against Everton (I think) and provided an assist and was very good until subbed off. We can all site various situations. Sub appearances where he gets 10 mins here, 15 mins there don't do anything. The Newcastle game was dreadful from all involved so not getting the ball out wide to our young prospect is hardly his fault. The facts are his assist record vs games played (given total minutes) is what you'd expect from a top half prem winger. 2 assists 4 games.

We're already deficient in that area. We are now relying on the 'craft' of Redmond (despite his ok start) and Moi being a fantastic bargain. We have no pace and we are painfully pedestrian, yet we didn't address this in the summer.

I mean he hasn't really has he? He's played a total of 4 full games in 2 seasons and in those 4 and a bit games he has two assists. One which put us in the final of the League Cup and one on his debut, so he's basically doing the job of an average winger. Don't get me wrong, I think a loan was actually a good option for him if Hughes isn't going to play him, but he's not had the opportunity either those assists should have afforded him especially when you consider our other wingers have hardly stepped up in the last two years.

When exactly? One 10 goal season. He's bog average and not a patch on Austin. Also he doesn't hold the ball up well either.

Ings has a far better strike rate than Welbeck. Why are people so ****ing excited by Welbeck. He's ****.

Armstrong is indeed a fresher version of Davis and I think Tadic has been adequately replaced but Long and Redmond are never the answer. Redmond isn't actually that fast as has been discussed before and Long is not a chance creating midfielder. He's a goal shy striker. We needed to replaced Mane and we haven't. It's a big problem when teams just sit in as we have no option other than to pass it around ad nauseum until there's no other route than to go backwards.

Why do you think that? Genuine question because although both seem good acquisitions, neither strikes me as a pace merchant.

We are so so pedestrian in midfield and this is my biggest concern and the one we've failed to address. Also the clamour for Welbeck is baffling. He's so poor; couldn't score for **** for two of the biggest teams in English football yet he'd somehow be the savour here. Ok then. Not a good window for me and another relegation battle coming up.

Definitely the same one as me

Mmmmmm this is awkward.

To be fair, he ****ing should have the amount of money he bled on transfers.

That is no reason to purchase him though lol. I am happy to join for half that.

You make it sound like there is literally no one else in the world in management. As if Hughes was literally the last man on earth. He wasn't.

Have you? Conceding 3 a game every game in the prem before tonight has been impressive? He's ****ing toilet and shouldn't have been given the job in the first place.