Micky

Unreserved apologies - I'll get my ass down to Specsavers before I make any more smart assed comments in future...!!!

Is this the new 'should of gone to Specsavers' ad....!!!!

Holy shyte... 2 games... lets all knee jerk togeather, might start a trend....

Shhhhhhh Alpines around - you'll get a severe reprimand for hoping for a little luck to get you a result you know..!!! I know this from bitter experience...

Agreed they are not - but as fans we can either continue to vent our fury at the boardroom and management, or support the team on the field who up to now appear to be trying their hardest to get results - I know which I prefer to put my efforts into.

Agree with the bit about publicly expressing their 'love' for the club, but is that any different to players who 'kiss the badge' - probably not. Your rationale for forming a consortium is probably about right, however even if they have 'borrowing power' they still have to have collateral in case it all goes belly up - therefore the risk still exists. As for Binmen and City chaps, right now I think we have more chance of putting together a consortium of binmen than City chaps, but how much are you able to borrow against 3 clapped out, council owned bin trucks...!

I've gushed about nothing - simply pointed out that in the two games we have played to date we have played well and done anything but bombed. As for similarities between the Gray and Wigley era and now, I see none. They worked with our 'older pro' players, playing conventional systems, whilst the new team have worked with the kids on a completely different system of play. Only similarities thus far is that they coached footballers. I think your argument is with Lowe - but he is here whether we like it or not. Yes he is probably pulling strings that should be left to management. But at the end of the day, he sees the bank balance sheet daily and has to make judgement on how to get the club 'back into the black'. If you can find a 'sugar daddy' ready to stump up a lump of cash then bring him on, personally I can't see it happening. However, we as fans should be supporting the team - the boardroom problems hold little interest for me.

Would never have known that first stat had you not been kind enough to point it out for me - but they actually normally last anything between 92 - 94 minutes if you want to be pedantic. Only been a fan since 1968, so I'm probably going to have to bow to your undoubted better knowledge and judgement. Wigley and Gray - yes they were past managers that didn't work out - so are you now suggesting that the current managerial team are from the same mould as Steve and Stuart. Whilst we may not of liked what happened with those two, the fact remained that they were actually part of the club, effectively we trained and groomed them for their managerial roles. Yes they failed but I do not see the link between them and the current managerial set up.

Yep thats me - I think with a little more luck we may have got something out of the games. Of course I didn't say that was the only reason that we find ourselves with no points up to now, but if that is what you want to intimate in order to further your agenda - feel free to quote me.

Then you were watching a different game in your armchair to those who attended SMS to view the 'performance'. By all accounts it was anything but poor. Who knows, with a little luck we might have got something. Not sure about your question, no idea what you are on about or what 'twice-already failed experiment' you are alluding to?

Yeah sorry, should have thought - I've never heard anybody in football ever saying that 'you need a little luck' or similar quotes such as that - remiss of me, so sorry. Also don't remember actually ever mentioning Pearson in my last post - but I would have been happy to see him stay on. You seem to have conveniently forgotten your claim to giving new management time - and now you call for change to the system after only two weeks. How many ways do you want it?

Because they are business men first and fans second. Ask yourself - if you won 10 million on the lottery on saturday - would you be prepared to sink the lot into the club that you support, (misses willing of course!) for no guaranteed return? I admire your support (and I don't think we'll get anything at Derby either), but business people are 'in football' for a totally different reason to you and I.

Who says that we have to improve. As the majority of those who have witnessed the first games - overall, we played well. No we didn't get the result, but also judging by some of the press reports that I read at the weekend - we were unlucky to come away with nothing on Saturday. It isn't the first time that we have lost two in a row - it won't be the last, we have played 2 very good sides, not been overawed, been in the game and clapped off on both occassions. I don't think we will get anything at Derby, (I think PJ will have shoved a rocket up their asses after the weekend) - but again, if we play well, don't let our heads go down, the lads will continue to learn & improve. Results will come - we have to support the management and team. I'm of the same opinion as last year (where I was happy to give GB the full season) - no knee jerk reactions after a couple of games, I'm happy to give the manager and players time to put their plans into action. I seem to remember that you, DD and WA2 all subscribed to giving any new management team 2 years to work some magic after you ousted GB - or have you changed your mandate after only 2 weeks?

The bottom line is that we are not a good investment prospect - hence nobody wants to take the gamble. Many on here seem to get a little confused with 'investment' and 'giving money away'. Investors are prepared to put capital into a worthwhile venture in order to make a profit at a later date. However most backers these days are not prepared to sign up for long term investment opportunities - again it comes down to wanting instant success hence a swift return on thier initial outlay. Unfortunately, in our current state, the level of investment to 'guarantee' that instant success would be huge - hence nobody wants to take the chance. I honestly cannot see (significant) investment being put into this club any time soon.

Much as it pains me to say it - for once - I totally agree with you. When others start to realise that we are small fish in a big pond, perhaps our current plight will not come as such a surprise. Nobody has a devine right to be in the Premiership, we savoured the goodlife for 30 years - now we have to endure a little pain, and who knows, it may get even worse before it starts to get better.

The current system has been tried over two games.... two.....!!! No it hasn't got results just yet but like all new inovations it will probably require some fine tuning. Give it (them) time. A bit like the Belfast West Link underpass down the road - cost multi-millions to build, opened 3 months ago and 25 feet deep in water last night. Ohhh to be a fly on the wall of the contractors today.....

I don't know - it could be a plan. Bring back the two of them, forget all the pre-season planning, change the system completely to accomodate them back into the team, never mind the other 9 guys on the pitch - they'll soon adapt back to last seasons system. Yeah - it's a goer - instant success - let's do it...

Noooooooooo..... I believe we played ok (wasn't there), and after only two games in which I'm led to believe we aquitted ourselves well, I'm optimistic......

Errrr so was I....!!!!

Ahhhhh welcome back Lifelongsaint - god how we have all missed you....!!!!!

You'll forgive me if I ignore your advice this time round - I'm all for a bit of happy clapping (whatever that may be) with the best part of 40 games to go still. I'll judge the players, manager and board after the event - only fair - dont you think...!!! Come on you happy clappers - get behind the lads.....

Rules you out then....

Top post - no sitting on the fence, would hope that the majority of fans see things in a similar light...

Glad to hear it - so why not get yourself off to Scotland then for their next match and vent your fury at George as he stands at the dug out. He's left the building - gone, moved on - why can't others, eh?

Is this just a 'practice thread' for the same old faces who want to dig the knife deep, give it a good old twist and then kick the guy in the ******** on the way down, at the first sign of trouble. Instead of raking over old ground, continually hounding a manager who, whether you like it or not has gone on to bigger and better things - why not support the current manager, look for some positives (theres plenty there), support the team you profess to love and stop 'ucking whinging at every conceivable opportunity. Who knows - you might actually start to enjoy supporting Saints.