Micky

Get three back and we can get three....

Probably not the best of starts...

Shyttttteeeee

Nice move...

many thanks for the links guys - struggling with a shytty hotel link - but somethings better than naf all..!!! Yikes they nearly scored after 40 seconds...!!!!

Just logged on from Hotel in Germany - anybody got a radio link lads...???

That would be the same Leigh Roose who: "Roose was awarded his first international cap for Wales against Ireland on 24th February, 1900. During the game Ireland launched an attack down the right wing through Harry O'Reilly. Roose sprinted from his goalmouth and deliberately barged the Irishman into touch. Roose hit O'Reilly so hard that he was knocked unconscious. According to the rules of the time, no free-kick was awarded. As Rose later pointed out: "If a forward has to be met and charge down, do not hesitate to charge with all your might." I think that you will find that coaching methods have moved on since the turn of the century, therefore probably not the best expert witness testiment that you could of quoted. Your monologue in reply to SW is so contradictory in terms of actually explaining lots of differing basic coaching techniques and then saying that they do nothing to enhance the players ability or reflexes, that it's really not worth replying to. (Lunch break - really don't have the time (or inclination)).

Personally I don't think that anything you have written disproves any of my theorys at all. We could debate all night long - but it is patently obvious that we are poles apart in terms of opinion. Perhaps instead of reading some of the ghost written Biographys, you might try some coaching manuals instead and see what drills are taught and why. I maintain though that, if you go back to your original post, there is no way that you can claim that the teams coaching set up is poor and then point to one of the players good form as proof of that. Total contradiction of arguments in the same sentence.

Agreed - but no matter how well KD is playing at present - to put him in that company is somewhat flattering. I doubt that Kelvin himself would expect to be spoken about as such. Yes touted for England, yes playing well, but pure talent or coached skill - then I think it is more likely down to the latter.

I hate to say it, and I'm not doing so just to be argumentative - all of those situations that you say cannot be coached - errrr can, and are. Keepers spend hours of coaching on one on ones, angles, positioning and reflex saves as well as normal goalkeeping skills. How many times do you see a keep act as sweeper - because he has been coached to take a good starting position - even when the ball is not even in his half of the field. How many times do you see goalkeepers being coached with multi-ball practices - to build up their reflexes and awareness of second ball situations. Why are keepers the only players that will make extra 'markers' on the field - because they have been coached to, in order to get thier angles and distances right. Kelvin Davis is a product of the same coaching set up that you say is not good enough, therefore surely the coaching set up should be given the praise for his form - not being doubted.

Nice points - well researched - but the bottom line remains that all of those professional sportsmen that you have cited were all coached...!! They all benefitted from top class coaching facilities. I grant you that there are the odd players who will look after and pace themselves during coaching sessions a la Chris Kirkland, however that is not the norm, and due partly to fear of injury. But the fact remains whether they enjoyed training or not - they are / were all coached. Coaching is especially important for young players (which we have a few of), some of the older pro's probably do not put as much emphasis on training as those youngsters - but they are all coached. Your original post infers that our coaching set up leaves a lot to be desired and is being bailed out by KD - total and utter bollux. KD is doing what he is trained (coached) to do - no more no less. Apologies that I have not researched my reply with lots of 'player quotes', but I think you'll find that come Monday morning there are a whole lot more professional sportsmen at work on the coaching field than laying in bed knowing that they don't need to put the effort in.

Didn't bother reading past your opening gambit - if you believe that then you know naff all about football. Why not go tell KD to not bother turning up for training - no point - he can just cuff it with pure instict. Talk about legendary coaching methods....!!!!

Utter bollux - KD is coached in order to make those saves - therefore I would say that our coaching system appears to working very well. It appears to me now that some here are prepared to use players who are playing well to try to make negative points - what on earth is going on...!!!!

Whilst I would normally agree with that, our away form would indicate that we do have the balls to see games through. If our home form even mirrored our away form we would be 7 points better off right now - that would put us comfortably mid table. You have to win at home and pick up away wins to survive in this league - we have done ok away, and personally I think that fixing our home form is probably easier than trying to fix the away form.

You paint a pretty bleak picture - makes the now "notoriously famous Lapland 'Theme'park" sound positively wonderful - perhaps you'd like to go spend your money there instead, ohhhh... damn, too late there....

If I'm honest, two points lost I think, but I guess a draw is better than nothing.... Why is our home form so abysmal....????

Need the final whistle.....

Sounds like the crowd are trying to lift saints though,,,

Damn... shyte...

Phew...!

Commentators Kiss of Death - "Wednesday have never won here...."

Need the second though - would be nice to get a bit of daylight between us...

Must be playing pretty well - even the Wednesday reporters are saying we look good...!!!

Not too sure why anybody hankering after Keanes services should be branded a wally to be honest. I'm pretty sure that the guy who suggested Sunderland go for him (untested) whilst they were lanquishing lower than we currently are in the championship was not branded as such. Seen more as a master stroke by most I would think. That said, I wonder how many fans would forgive him the goading that he gave out on our last premiership day, I wonder.

The problem remains, what is good investment? We refused the deal that Coventry City eventually accepted, and whilst I know nothing about the details, I am led to believe that they had little option in accepting the 'so called' investment. But where has it actually got them - I see little signs of them actually benefitting in any spectacular way. Much was made of the investment at QPR - again - not really setting the world alight right now are they? My point is that the level of investment required to guarantee an 'instant fix' (promotion back to the Premiership) would be very, very high. Given that the investor then becomes responsible for our already outstanding debt, you begin to see that it is unlikely that the investor will make any gain on their outlay for a quite considerable period of time. Further risk is added because there is no real guarantee that promotion would be achieved. Even if it was, I go back to my original point of Premiership wages and running costs - they are exorborant compared with the CCC, where we are currently barely keeping our heads above the water. Yes investment would be welcomed - but it wouldn't necessarily fix the problem. Promotion would be welcome, again it could bring more woes than benefit. The club needs to be run within it's means, any investor needs to be in it for the long haul, and perhaps expect not to have a return on thier dividend for some considerable time. Failing that it's back to the Sugar Daddy with pockets so deep you could drill for oil in them...!