Micky

Typical - there's always somebody who wants to change the goalpost after we've started. Have you not seen the chaos that was caused on the Best A & B team thread.....

Eeerrrr 50+ and still over me....!

It would appear that this deal is now dead in the water - perhaps for the best really. http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Kaka-AC-Milan-President-Insists-Manchester-City-Will-Not-Get-His-Star-Football-Player/Article/200901315206568?lpos=World_News_First_World_News_Article_Teaser_Region_2&lid=ARTICLE_15206568_Kaka%3A_AC_Milan_President_Insists_Manchester_City_Will_Not_Get_His_Star_Football_Player

Would tend to agree with most, if not all of your post. That said - if you pay 'peanuts' you know what your gonna get.....

I'm pleased for both Nigel and Matt Oakley, fair play to them if they manage promotion this season. Let's be honest - they may have a good squad but you still have to do the business. Both Leeds and Forest struggled to get out - so I wonder how we will do next year.

Ooooo eeerrrrr standby for the 3rd degree Nathan - you sure know how to liven the evening up dontcha...!!!

On the one hand your saying that the product is not fit for human consumption and on the other you want to subject our children to it...!! You obviously do not work for the H&S Executive.

If this was the case we would be 20 points clear and certs for promotion this season - perhaps somebody ought to tell JP that goals make points - not triangles...!

Agreed it won't - and your probably right in that the perception is that he speaks for the majority - but, the fact remains, that is not NI's fault. You could have a Sky Sports or local station camera shoved in your face before or after a game and somebody ask you for a comment - you too might very well be percieved to be taking for the majority of the fans - but what opinion would you give. It would be largely your own. I have no problem with the aftermatch protest - as far as I am aware it was a vocal but peaceful event - and after the fare that has been served it was sort of inevitable. (The fighting is another subject entirely). NI may have differing views to ours, but as Steve has pointed out, the Trust is open for everybody to join and air their views should they so wish.

That would actually make a more interesting thread, coupled with do they have an 'Action Plan' to address any present 'shortcomings' that they might have identified at the club during the present time. But not knowing enough about the Trust I am unsure if they enjoy free speech and / or action - or are bound from within the Club?

Errr hellooooo, he didn't, hasn't and probably will not...!!! It is us here on this forum that have made the assumption that his views are representative of the majority of Saints fans. I am not particularly a supporter of NI - but in this instance, I think that it is us that need to get this 'opinion' into perspective.

But what are the views of the majority - and how do you find them out? In the first post you tag him as speaking as the voice of SFC fans, and now you say he continually gives his own opinions. You may think that the majority of fans are against Lowe, but how do we actually know this. How many people were at the game on Saturday 15000, but only 3 - 400 saw fit to actually demonstrate against Lowe after the match, was this the majority. As Steve said - NI makes himself available to press sources for interviews - he has to give a balanced view in order to keep credibility, and it is very difficult to know everybodies personal opinion and air it.

Whether you agree or disagree with what NI has said, I think that one point has been totally overlooked. It appears to me that the only person who has actually acknowledged him as a 'Spokesperson for many' (and therefore voice of the fans) as opposed to an 'individual expressing an opionion' is the originator of this thread..! Had the originator entitled this thread 'NI's View' or something similar perhaps the debate wouldn't be quite so heated. I agree entirely with Steve, in that Nick is only expressing his view - he is not claiming to speak for anybody other than himself. Quite simply it is we, not he, who have (correctly, incorrectly, stupidly, ill-advisedly, short-sightedly) labelled him as 'the voice of SFC'. Agree or disagree with the views that he has expressed as is your wish - but don't make assumptions as to who he is expressing his views for.

You need to be in a winning position before you think about 'shutting up games' - we rarely are...!

Thanks for commenting on my post, unfortunately I don't feel able to afford you the same courtesy as I suspect you may be a PR plant...!!!

Sounds like a good plan so far - we are going to stop Rupert going to games right - then what...???

Have to agree - amongst all of the chaos, posturing and finger point that is currently going on, and while we all (in the main) want Lowe gone - none (that I have heard) has actually thought about this. Who is likely to want to step into the breach and try and turn this club around. Lowe out by all means - but who in..????

To be honest, the way the Premiership is at the moment anyone from about 8th down could get relegated. I don't think either Spurs or Pomp will go to be honest. I fear that Hull may go into freefall after a great start and could start to feel the pressure of the top league - it's been a while since they had a result too.

Why bother with the effigy - can't we just use the real thing instead... I'll help....!!!

A PR plant. Right so that would be a professional Publics Relation company paid to come on here and do what exactly. Try to brainwash us all into thinking that the club is running smoothly, nothing to worry about and everything is going to plan. How on earth is a PR plant going to make any real difference to the thoughts of some 150 - 200 staunch supporters who frequent a message forum. We all have our individual opinions about what is happening at SMS these days and anybody who is swayed from that by some PR body must surely be lacking in intelligence. I have no doubt that perhaps club people will check this forum out, perhaps on occassion even post, but lets be honest - no PR plant is going to come here and brainwash us that there is no problem at SMS. PR plants - or whatever you want to call them - bring them on.

If we are honest it would be a major blow to lose Kelvin now. That said, if he chose to walk he could do so at least knowing that he had tried and gave it his best shot. There would be no disgrace in his departing now - he has nothing to regret. Others though, perhaps should take a long hard look at themselves.

And is your Dad ITK or just speculating...???

Not really - had we won 3 nil then perhaps the fighting and rioting would not have happened. Afterthought: us win 3 nil... ummm I'll get my coat.....

Problem being if we are that far adrift by the time Lowe acts, it makes it all the more difficult for a new man do get us out of the poo. Personally I think we are dead and buried right now...