Micky

Apologies - a typo on my part - but I'm sure you know where I meant though...

Hypo - nobody made you pay - they gave you the option and you opted in. Yes the idea was that they were going to upgrade the server and we are led to believe that they have done this. OK it hasn't completely fixed the matchday problems that some have experience, but I have no reason to believe that anybody has been negligent in this. They have made best efforts to try to source a solution to the problems, and I believe that are still trying. I really don't think that just because the user has been asked to contribute towards a solution (5 quid) it gives us carte blanche to hassle those actually trying to keep this site going.

No - I'm not missing the point - you get what you paid for - £5 is hardly a great deal of money for a years subscription to this site. Of course if you are not happy you could go to S4E. So this site has modelled itself on a site that errr gets no hits and went downhill. Or did the punters on S4E see that there was another option...???

Well I wouldn't say everytime Saints play - I have noticed it during the last two matches and I will concede that the Level of Service was poor. The chatroom didn't work - but if memory serves me it was muted as a trial - therefore it was bound to throw up gremlins. All of that said admin were on the case trying to restore the service and trying to update us as they worked - what more do you want? Yes the subscription was meant to try to assist in trying to sort the problems, but nothing is guaranteed, and I'm sure that the admin are looking into the problems. My point is that, forget the money - 5 pound is naff all for what you are getting here - this is a very very good football forum. It is run by unpaid volunteers - who deserve our thanks for their efforts - not smart arse comments when things don't go quite as planned.

Then why mention it - I too would have PM'd you about it, I would probably have deleted or at least closed your advertising post - Baj chose to do neither and left it on the main board. Sounds to me as well that you are just a little jealous that this site has the lions share of saints fans attention. Perhaps in your quest to get people back to 4ES, you should learn some lessons from this site, acknowedge its professionalism and try to emulate or better it on 4ES - then perhaps you might attract some punters.

Sorry...!!!! ??????

Sorry - but the question is lost on me mate - what about when it was free? It was free, and dare I say a damn good free site too. You also have the option not to pay the subscription if you so wish. The fact that the site experiences a few technical difficulties now and then is not uncommon. I have had much worse problems with major corporate sites such as Sky and the BBC - so a few minor hitches here is hardly the end of the world. Yes we were told that the server specification would be updated to cater for matchday demand, and that has happened. The fact that we are still experiencing problems is, I'm sure, not down to the fact that the volunteers running this site have done a runner with our subscription money. I pay Sky £50 a month and still have issues with their service so for the 5 quid a year that I have subcribed to TSF I find the LoS to be excellent.

I believe that he is talking about the planned 'Black Rose Protest', where fans were asked to buy a rose (black symbolising the death of the club), or wreath and lay it at the foot of TB statue prior to the Cardiff game. I think the picture is there to prove that this protest didn't happen - or at best was very very poorly attended.

I believe that he is talking about the planned 'Black Rose Protest', where fans were asked to buy a rose (black symbolising the death of the club), or wreath and lay it at the foot of TB statue prior to the Cardiff game. I think the picture is there to prove that this protest didn't happen - or at best was very very poorly attended.

I really cannot believe that you typed any of that. So after all the criticism that you have levelled here, you (allegedly) are more than aware of the time, effort, commitment and sheer hard work that goes into trying to maintain a successful web presence. Yet you folded it because you basically couldn't be arsed - brilliant. That is of course your perogitive, but we have people here who (at their own expence) can be arsed, and many more who are grateful for their efforts, therefore they should get all the support that we can offer. As for your assumption that Baj wouldn't tolerate you advertising your wares on his patch - I would beg to differ: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=11031 BTW - please tell me that you are not SF76....?????

The idea of a chatroom was good - the execution, I grant you, poor. That said when I logged onto it Baj was in there trying to administer it - he was asking users if they were experiencing problems. He then recognised that the chatroom was eating server resouces and closed it - thus restoring normal service on here. As for the advice given - I think Baj explained why he declined some of it at the time. You continually seem to cite what you had on 4ES - if it is/was that good - why is it not here today...????

What - good advice, like go to a forum with - errr no people on it. I can't see too many other snippets of constructive criticism either. By all means - make a point that the services was not particualarly good, but let's not go overboard. The site is run by volunteers - let's not drive them away.

Can't see too much agression there personally - frustration maybe, but by my book the guy did his best. Your continual questioning is toutamount to harassment - which would drive me to close the whole effin site. From what I've experienced here, this is one of the best football forums that I have seen. There is a small fee to use all of it's facilities, you choose to pay that at your discretion. But even with the few problems that have been experienced - the guys running this site still give good value for money. If you really have serious issues with the running of this forum, why not go to forever saints as you tried to get other to do. Its free and I have been monitoring it now for about 2 hours - there is only 1 user on line - must be me then!!

Hoobloodyray..... at last - the voice of reason appeared....

Ok time to turn this into a Lowe Out thread too now - so in light of the problems experienced here can anybody actually tell me of a viable alternative to this site / forum...???

A narrow loss away at Birmingham is hardly the end of the world - if we had been safely mid table, people would have expected that result. It's how we react to this that counts - too many people seem to be focused on the teams around us. Nobody is going to do us any favours - it's up to us to fight our way out. It's still doable and there is still time for the tide to change in our favour. Don't loose the faith just yet.

Whilst I understand that people may be a little annoyed at the matchday service here, I have to say that when you look at the overall services that this forum provides, at £5 a year it equals excellent value for money. Yes there have been some issues but the Administrator have not hidden and have tried to resolve them quickly while keeping us in the picture. For that I personally would like to thank them. As for Stanley and his site - his heart maybe in the right place or he may just be pimping for customers to a forum that, although free, hardly comes anywhere near this one - and when I last checked today had 3 people on line and the most ever was 76. I'm sorry, but for the price of a 'pie and a pint' - I still think that the annual subscription rate to this forum is well worth the money. There - can't see me getting too many infraction points from here on in...!

Not sure that this is the place to query that Neil, but I'm sure if you PM Baj he will be able to sort you out. I paid using PayPal and was a full member in less than half an hour if my memory serves me correctly - didn't take long at all.

Perhaps a 'set peice' that 'arry taught him while he was down here...!!!

No TDD - they want to know if you'll 'pay' not 'play'...!!!!

Errr after 45 minutes I'm worried that my heart will have run out...!!!!

I am - but I would have to fly to Sweden in order to do so - therefore probably a waste of time I guess...!!!!!

Ahhh good to see that this match is not being taken lightly and a strict training regime has obviously already kicked in...!

Yes I am aware of Saints Forever - posted there myself. I think also that RL will have learned lessons from his (alleged) participation. Having re-read you last post I can now see that what you said was that Lowe hate Saints Forever and not Saints forever..!! However, as I alluded to before - I really see little benefit to SFC staff other than to guage the hot topics. And remember we are not the majority - Lowe will pay us little credance - a bit like those who protested. There were 500 - 1000 protesting fans outside of SMS and 14000 'content' fans inside SMS - that is how it will be perceived by RL and probably those who hold no opinion either way.

Surely they will take his money and he will then be banned after his first post on a technicality...!!!!