Micky

Nearly 2, Spain much better all over the pitch, not looking good for us atm.

Yet more pointless, passive possession. No end product. Boring.

Top pro, I wish him all the best.

I won't refer to it as 'defending' because that would be an insult to professional defenders, but our attempts to stop the opposition scoring are frankly laughable. On this showing, not a hope in hell that we are anywhere near promotion, time to focus on some basics, never mind playing out from the back and worrying about possession, possession wins nothing, goals do. We look as if we've learned nothing from last season, just as soft on the pitch and mentally.

I wish the lad all the best. He may not be the most talented midfielder but he owes us nothing. You would rarely see him hide or not try, he obviously has a great affinity to the club but he has to do what's right for him. Thanks and farewell.

I'm assuming your predictive text got the better of you and you meant minefield, in which case, yes he'd be right at home in all the chaos.

So all this pointless passive possession counts for absolutely nothing if you don't have the know how, or players to turn it into goals, so what is the point of making it a key area of our tactics? I would much rather have the lions share of the goals than the lions share of possession. Sounded like we were at our woeful worst tonight, it's going to be a long hard season.

What fucking idiot would buy any of those ffs?

Not a good start....!

Did it the hard way, will need to play much better from here on in.

To be honest England have been pretty poor throughout this tournament, scraped past Haiti and Denmark before beating a very poor China. If they pull this one out of the fire it may spur them on, but all in all i think they have been poor.

What / who are you classing as our first eleven?

Great header.

Very soft.

Soft.

How many of this side will still be here at Christmas?

Great no nonsense pro, exactly the sort of player we needed last season, sad to say. Down to earth, humble player who always gave it his best. Some of the younger, image conscious players would do very well to follow his example both on and off the field.

Non starter, move on. There is no place for sentiment if you are chasing success.

Joking aside it's quite worrying that we don't have anyone in the whole squad who fits the bill. We lacked balls, bottle and leadership all last season resulting in one of our worst ever seasons. Where we are going we will need players who can step upto the mark, bully and organise when necessary. The championship is unforgiving, if we don't start well, we have few leaders to sort things out.

Yep, that's exactly where I'm at as well. But I've got to be honest, I'm not confident that we will do anything other than struggle in the championship - nowhere near enough real leaders.

I think it's illegal to do motions in the English channel, so I think it's safe to assume he was swimming.

Got off lightly, absolute scum. Hopefully United have banned him for life.

Given the state of that shirt I don't blame them. I don't normally do the annual 'new shirt' debate, but I think this shirt is hideously rank. Apologies to the lovers.

Would like to see him go to Liverpool where he might only be a bit part player, but he'd have a decent chance of winning something. West Ham have won their 40 year trophy so can't see them winning anything again anytime soon.

👆 ta for that, very helpful, much appreciated.