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You have a good point with the mates but that is easily overcome now online with linked membership. However, don't kid yourself that you need a ST for priority to get a ticket for a home game. I ask everyone to answer this one question - If fairness is your concern. Why is it fair for someone to buy just 1 ticket with a guest (on separate customer numbers created for this purpose) to get priority to bring that guest (or another guest who has never attended) above and beyond a committed ST holder or committed PAYG fan on 8+ games?

I think you may be setting a trap here - this forum has got me paranoid :-) I think a mix of things around prices, a squeeze on people's finances due to this long downturn, more Saints on TV, attractiveness of away games venues, availability of seats, difficulty in buying extra tickets since going up the divisions - what do you reckon? The daft thing is that I look back on league 1 and especially the Championship with a bit of nostalgia now and I am not sure why

I agree that a membership system in tandem with ST holders would be a step forward. Regarding additional guests, I can see your logic but it is flawed. You should not agree with the current system as it actually allows someone who has only bought 1 ticket plus 1 guest (different customer numbers) exactly the opportunity to buy more tickets for himself and his guest than the ST holder. In short if you want to take a friend - don't buy a season ticket go PAYG. So you see the people who invest the least get the most which is exactly what you were against.

ST holders used to get a BETTER deal that is the whole point of this thread. The whittling away of the ST benefits leads to less seats sold (drop of 700 last year) and more people working out ways to get more for less. It is human nature but many people miss out on how the rule changes affect them - that is why loopholes need to be publicised. I have explained this loophole ad nauseum and I suspect the people staying quiet are going to use it to save loads of cash. After all - priority tickets after only 4 games is a steal ;-)

I suffered the same problem with my Kingsland seats

I assure you that I have no mental block. I don't need you telling me what is enough incentive for me to spend my money either. The system tries to reward loyalty but I have exposed the flaw. Why should someone who buy for 4 games with a guest (8 tickets) get priority to bring that guest again than a ST holder with his 19 tickets or a PAYG customer who has bought 8 tickets or more? Also I am sick and tired of people personalising this as there is supposed to be no abuse on this forum. I HAVED GOT MY TICKETS BECAUSE I QUALIFIED !!!! I just don't see why someone who buys only 8 tickets gets top priority to bring a guest who also might not have been to any games before. Jeez it's like talking to a brick wall sometimes Bottom line is that my colleagues and I will probably exploit this loophole stay at the front of the queue, bring guests and save a pot load of money. On that basis the system is great - I was just exposing it.

I welcome your logic and lack of abuse! I would never mislead anyone on this topic as it is of no benefit to me and I am glad to only seem gullible because I am not. There are about 15 of us looking at this. We would buy 8 season tickets and 7 PAYG under 7 different memberships (all linked) to make it work. All of us miss at least 3 games a season for a variety of reasons; some of us miss 5 and one missed 8 (a serving member of the Armed Forces). The season tickets give us no priority to bring guests but the 7 PAYG will work very nicely. We did the maths and savings are around 30% minimum; they could be greater Regarding your tangent, I came up with 10 games for priority as it would only take someone off the street to buy 4 games (8 tickets) to get top priority to bring guests - not much effort to get to the top games with a mate! Therefore, by setting the bar at 10 games it gives the PAYG customer number who has bought 10 tickets top priority and includes ST holders on 19 the chance for additional tickets. This levels up the playing field based on tickets bought but could be set a bit lower to 8? I would agree on the hassle of buying tickets a while ago. However, it is all done on line now and linking ticket holders makes it dead easy. Another good model is practised by Crystal Palace but it would need adapting. Their system allows members to buy tickets on priority, then season ticket holders to buy for guests, then members guests and then general sale. Thanks again for you comment

No argument there. They flew with no less than 18 Sqns so not just Spits. However, comparing that generation with the current generation in any nationality is like comparing apples and pears. 50 years of Soviet communism, hard living and hard drinking takes its toll on a community.

Good post mate - nice to see some intelligent thinking on the forum

Still wrong but you are forgiven. See if you like my comment on the stats :-)

Vic Reeves said that 81.5% of all statistics are made up on the spot ;-)

Cellone - You come across as a stalker. You also got your facts wrong so that makes you a c*@p stalker. Lol

Read before you comment please - both your points are covered in the updated proposal that we were not allowed to put up as a new thread. 1. The reward is a payment by the Club for opportunity loan costs (interest) the club gains and we lose by taking money upfront - so no benefit. 2. In addition, there are on average 3 games or more that a ST holder cannot make but has to pay for - so less benefit. 3. Agree on some ST holders putting similar amount of money into the Club which is why the proposal was to raise the game limit from 4 to 10 to qualify for priority. A clever proposal to solve this issue came through late last night. Hypothetically speaking a little club of business people who are ST holders would only renew about half of their tickets. The other half would be put into the PAYG bucket under customer numbers so that they can cherry pick the good games and take who they want. People on this forum would agree this is fine under the rules; the group will see the matches they want to, not pay for the ones they want to miss and save about 30% in tickets. This will reduce their joint hospitality bill considerably. Happy days I really need to get off this thread as people are just repeating the same old arguments which have been sliced and diced and have resulted in a better proposal already - its like I am an addict or something!!!!!

Now that's just plain mean

Haha - busted. I am slowly gaining ground though; right is might and all that ;-)

Thanks all for your comments; sorry we had to keep to this thread but the admin Nazis would not let me canvas views on our findings on a different thread. I am now bowing out and taking the campaign to the next level. I enjoyed the banter apart from the one's who 'hit' like little girls and others who really should be wearing helmets and playing with crayons. It doesn't matter though as most of them don't go to enough games to make a difference Until the next time....... Hasta la vista ;-)

Why do you think the restrictions will stop them getting in? The fact that 1 game attended will get you a ticket could mean the opposite will happen

I remember those idiots counting us out of the league. Disrespectful idiots - I am glad they are getting their comeuppance this season.

Just register as a customer and you will get a ticket as they have not all sold yet.

Class - just pure Class :-)

You are a bad man Ludwig but funny. Unfortunately, I cannot engage in the selling of my copious amount of tickets as it would get me into trouble with the Club and I need to leave the seats empty to annoy the people who claim poverty on this forum. Alternatively, I could fill the seats with effigies of the idiots who insulted me on the other thread but they wont notice as they never turn up at the home ground anyway.

I believe it does. I think it counted for mine as I had more than the requisite 4 additional tickets when buying for my sons

Hmm. You need to take a chill pill. The current policy benefits you as you don't get to many games so I understand why you like it. However, unless you have the memory span of a goldfish you already know that I am not buying for plastics (your description not mine). You also know that the current policy benefits people who contribute little at the cost of those who contribute more. Your opinion is noted and filed. Cheerio and best of luck in your endeavours as we probably wont meet because you don't get down too much.

Hi KP - I think you must have already bought somewhere between 1 and 4 tickets additional to your season ticket earlier in the season?

Lol - busted!!!