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Spot on Turkish. Allow freedom of speech - otherwise no point having a forum.

Look on the bright side - UKIP aren't flying into buildings, blowing people up and poisoning the world with violent extremism

Of course Iraq was a Nirvana on Earth when Saddam was alive - attacking Iranians (iran/Iraq War), Kurds (ethnic cleansing), Kuwaitis (1st Gulf War) and his own people. The only thing stopping Iraq from getting better now is Iraqis.

Funnily enough 10 games was the suggested benchmark for priority in earlier posts. A 'true' fan is difficult to define or agree upon. People confuse this thread as having something to do with how 'true' a fan is when it has nothing to do with it. The current economic model is that people who 'deserve' the seats are the people who pay for them. A ST is by definition a stronger financial supporter of the Club; especially as the tickets are bought up front at risk when the ability to attend is unknown. As a PAYG you can hedge your bets and buy when you know you can attend. You either buy a ticket or not - but don't make out you 'leave' an empty seat as if it was some sort of noble act. Also don't assume that the person a ST brings along is any less of a fan than anyone else sat in the entire ground. By the way, if anyone thinks the discount is great then do the sums - depending on the season it is worth about a 2 game discount. Most ST miss 2 or 3 games per season so buy 19 get one free is not really a reason to buy. Sitting in the same seat is what most people pay for.

first time that someone stopped coming when the Dell closed

Something to aim for. It wont be the first time.

"It's a matter of defining terms. A Christian country as a nation of believers? No. "A Christian country in the sense of still being very much saturated by this vision of the world and shaped by it? Yes." So, he basically says we are still Christian - but not practising in the traditional sense - is that what you were trying to communicate

I have nothing against the Polish but to classify them as all hard working is a little bit racist. I think you will find that access to welfare reduces the work ethic of all nationalities. The first generation of almost all immigrants come from countries where life is tougher and you have to work harder to live at any sort of decent standard. In other words, the integrated children of immigrants will be just like the children of native British when it comes to working hard or going on welfare. I say this first hand as a person born of immigrants growing up in the 1960s and 1970s where my classmates were largely Polish, Italian and Irish.

So you went from ST holder to the occasional home game? Really? I had you down as an away supporter

You aren't in St Mary's either - much

We try to be Christian - it is still a work in progress

Good one - I did say 'aspire' - I obviously haven't got there yet ;-)

A fair question. 'what would you actually do about stopping the extra 3 billion?' For starters. the UN should adopt a general policy of returning skilled immigrants from the developing world back to their home countries as they need their own young people to stay at home and make their own countries better. After all, we should stop robbing poor countries of doctors, nurses, engineers etc. Then we pour money, education and materials into those countries infrastructures so that they can modernise as efficiently as possible; however, all aid would be conditional on countries adopting population control programmes to stop the poverty cycle. After around 50 years many countries will be looking at the 2 child family model of Europe, North America and Australasia as opposed to the 10 child model of Africa, Asia and South America. This can only be a good thing when coupled with a pollution reduction policy which will complement a global cooling policy. Your solution only tackles the symptoms of a growing carbon footprint - mine tackles the cause as well.

Its OK - your secret is safe with me. You don't have to come to the games to be a fan - honest ;-)

No worries - be well

All of this pseudo-politically correct secularist psycho babble is all well and good. However, the bottom line is that this is unquestionably a Christian country. Our culture, heritage, laws and customs are all based on the peculiar brand of Christianity that our ancestors mixed with so called pagan rituals (Easter, Christmas, Harvest Festival etc). Trying to measure how Christian we are by how often we go to Church and worship some sort of supernatural deity would conclude (as most on this thread) that we are no longer Christian as it is all a load of bo**ocks (not my words but the words of someone who thinks he knows it all). However, if we measure how Christian we are with following the values of Jesus' teachings (excepting greed I would suggest) then we are probably more Christian than we were when everyone went to Church. We generally treat people better around the World, we have charity bound into our social systems (benefits, NHS, aid), we aspire to caring for people who are less fortunate than ourselves. Do we get it right? Of course not but we are slowly getting there. The modern oppressed, disenfranchised, poor and hungry are still around but would they have been better off before the creation of the welfare state? Of course not. The irony is that Political Correctness is that most secular of cults but is wholly based on Christian values. Unfortunately, it is has actually brutally forced a mutant variation of Christian core values (fairness, respect for others, equality and the desire to do good) to the extent that it is just as crazy in its excesses as every other cult. Peace

Good one - however, the campaign goes on

Population will stabilise - so funny - and so full of bull Very convenient to say: 'No-one disputes an extra 3 billion is undesirable - The question is what can realistically be done about it - and the answer in the short to medium term is 'not much'' If that is the case we are wasting our time on reducing our footprint. You can keep on arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic mate. I'm off for a rip in the Jag and what exactly stabilises the population growth -

Good one ;-)

Jeez can anyone get any thicker? You say 'Christ do you STILL not get it. Example 2. Man can NOT get 3 tickets, 1 for him, 2 for his mates. He can get ONE, each of his 2 sons can get ONE each' Firstly, you cant be a dad if you think sons buy their own tickets! Secondly, the example illustrates that by setting up 3 customer accounts and buying between 1 and 4 games you get priority.

You are wrong but I accept the hats off anyway

Poking fun at our Armed Forces now? Tut Tut. Come to think of it, I went to Horley once. That makes it one more time than you came to St Mary's

What is it with you and the moronic abuse? I think you need to put the helmet back on and play with some crayons

What?

OK so you are fine with another 3 billion people on the planet as it wont really make a difference to the human race's carbon footprint will it? As they consume at the same level as we do in the West it wont make a difference will it? Forcing abortions? Bombing to the stone age? - don't be silly. How about you recognise that more people, with more aspiration to consume and producing more pollution increases the carbon footprint and hence global warming. How about small variations in the Sun's outputs contribute to Global Warming? The problem with you zealots is that you blank out other opinions with your blind aggression and arrogance - even when they broadly agree with your point of view? So sad