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well that's an interesting summary and perspective. i probably watch too much 24 =)

The point of my post was that it was said above that there were no circumstances at all where torture was acceptable... Which I think is utter b0ll0x again, I'd suggest it's easy to say that in your arm chair watching eastenders... But if a very real situation was presented in front of you to get the necessary information ... Would you do it. so alter the parameters again... We've tried the plea bargaining and he flat out refuses...

whichever one works! I would suggest they probably try tactic one first before diving straight in with the jump leads to the testicles..... Probably

just adding to this whilst I think about it.. If it is PROVEN that the process of torture has lead to information that has stopped another 9/11 happening.. Is that wrong... REALLY?? Evils exist in the world...it won't go away and if the method is successful in the fight against it...good. On the other side...clearly if someone innocent is tortured then it is wrong....we live in an imperfect world where people are still wrongly convicted but surely we can't not have this system if it helps saves thousands lives on the slim(ish) chance that we mix torture a few people. Interesting discussion.

I should have worded better really... But as I'm setting the parameters.. We'll make it clear as water.... The person in our custody is on film kidnapping said relative / partner and has done various threat videos with the captives. He has been captured himself, in a secret operation in... Basingstoke. It's definitely him 100% ..he knows but isn't talking. So... Do we torture to find out priceless info that we KNOW he has to save innocent lives...or is there still absolutely no reason at all to torture someone. This is for Ludwig btw... It's his boyfriend who's been taken hostage =)

So you didn't actually answer my question at all then...and went off on your own tangent. Well done. Try and answer it with one of your 3 posts tomorrow...

think that's old bud and done the rounds before a while back....An attention seeker on twitter tonight.

At least we don't behead people ..... It's the world we live in... It won't change That bit I have bolded... You really can't be serious. You think the kind of intel we get to keep ahead of various threats to national security is just handed over to us or we just get lucky finding it? People who would quite happily kill you and your family without a blink of an eye. Hypothetical situation...your wife, son, boyfriend ..whatever are in holiday somewhere, minding their own business...get kidnapped and been taken hostage and are about to have their head cut off in the next few hours.... However, in custody our is someone who knows full well where they are being kept and how to get them out..but isn't talking...Still stand by your statement or would you do what needs to be done to extract the info? Genuinely interested.... I can't for one second believe that if it became personal, you would stand by the 'human rights all men are equal, this is wrong' ********.

That was a f**king embarrassment. i don't care who we are playing:.. 3 goals in 1 half, 2 against 10 men and a complete nothing performance. Probably more of the same on Wednesday.

That was the biggest pile of **** I've seen for a while. Villa are woeful, a really bad team, a depleted one low on confidence...and we get a draw with what...65% possession? should be winning that game, no excuses. I can pre empt all the...point away from home, happy with that boll ox...but really we were poor today. Our final 3rd play is very wasteful time and again and has been frequently this season. There have been games where we've pulled through and got the win after banging the door 150 a game.. But today wasn't one of those.

I thought that myself, but thought I would check if anyone has a spare. Cheers though.

is anyone travelling to the game with a spare ticket? Mate is coming over from the USA and could do with one. PM me if you can help...cheers =)

​The Alex was appalling so left after 30 mins...ended up in Pulcinella which was pretty good

.... It made me laugh even, if no one else appreciated it.

he got in in front of balotelli.... Osvaldo is in too we have 2 strikers in the Italy squad... Must be a first!

To add to this...reading a building (to me)...is like reading a book...it will have a certain flow and coherence...and if it's done well, it will be easy to pick up on. I imagine it's probably quite similar to a way a chef would see a meal... They'd look for certain things...preparation, smell, taste, texture, presentation...where as a lay person will just think...that tastes nice. It's quite sad when you see good ideas (and I guarantee this gateway building was bloody good at concept stage!) become utterly hideous when finished... I've suffered it myself on something being built now! i can tell it's happened to this gateway building from the pathetic attempt at a green wall climbing up the south faces.... Looks more like a Brazilian wax job than a sedum living wall.... Value engineer strip out! Yuck.

That, my friend.... Is a thesis question / answer. It's subjective...completely... I argue with my director all the time about it. Generally...if a building has a strong concept, it will shine through, simple strong form, robust materials, proportion, rhythm, repetition tend to be pleasing on the eye. It's a very difficult question to answer without going off on one completely! and yes...clients are morons and change things...usually driven by cost... The real skill...and it is f**king hard.... Is to keep it looking good and hold onto the concept ...even once the client / developer starts stripping things out. Everyone will have an opinion..on everything... And sometimes you just get it..sometimes you don't.. I don't pretend to understand computers or horses or cars very much!

Colour in buildings is VERY marmite. The only comparison I was making was the use of colour...and how it can be done very successfully if the concept and form of the building is solid...with a limited base pallet...which we don't get on this gateway building. Everything is thrown at it and it looks a mess because of it. The idea (and I said this before) of the tower at the end of a vista is sound...therefore the scale of that element is fine... It's just delivered in such a poor manner and the use of many materials and many colours makes it worse, not better. This...is a well considered gateway building (which I had a small hand in when much younger!) which we should all be familiar with...best I can think of locally! Simple strong form, simple idea (wrapping plain and pushed / recessed glazed box on a brick plinth)... 2 materials (brick , stone (I think!)). Crisp detailing.... Not trying to be overly complicated to make a statement.... The statement comes from the strong form and wrap. The playfulness comes from the repeated and staggered glazing module (which differs from North to South face due to orientation to the sun) and inset random, yet considered, louvre system to each module.

Well I am an architect Colour is one of the factors, but isn't the overriding problem with the building... There are plenty of beautiful buildings that use colour tastefully. The issue with the building is form. The form of the building is disgusting... The architecture (ha!) is very confusing and the use of a plethora of materials and multi colours just adds to it being complete horse sh*t... It even has colour recesses to the windows which add further. It is far too much...just add it all in and it makes a mess...and it really does I'm going to throw in some 'contemporary' coloured buildings... What you'll note with them all is that they have a strong, simple and well considered base to work with...a single material or strong form and the variation and enjoyment comes from the colour... Which offsets nicely from the overall form... It adds to it, not detracts. The proportions and repetition make a strong language which doesn't exist in this w*nk piece tower with astro turf stuck to the side. All these buildings below are completely different by different people, but the ideas in each are strong because they have used colour correctly. I'm not even suggesting I like the buildings or colours ....some i do, some i'm impartial to....I think they could be too vibrant... But the concept is absolutely sound... Simple base material and form offset with the colour...which completely opposite to the gateway project which tries to do everything....and therefore fails. Simple, strong form, clean material pallet, robust materials = good architecture. Simple doesn't mean basic... the simplest looking buildings / ideas are usually the most thought out. That last building is concrete BTW @Whitey Grandad

....and the church! Burn it!!

....and the church! Burn it!!

Each individual building is one material colour and (assumed) all the same or similar material.... So a variation of a theme or language... All the same form and scale .... Put together, it makes a beautiful, picturesque sky line / streetscape. There's no mix of materials or heights... It's coherent.... Unlike the multi coloured , multi materialed, multi scale, shower of s**t gateway building !

Watched grand designs once...read a book. Lies!

Some if us have educated, informed, professional opinions.... Others just have opinions

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