I agree entirely with the various points of view about intimidation. I've seen a fair amount of it and don't like being near it. It's a fine point as to what stage intimidation becomes 'physical' to those being indimidated. The thread has kept Duncan's statement rolling along now for far longer than required, in my opinion, but then,isn't that what this is about, opinions. Moving on to the investment debate. Various points have been put forward. I was recently musing, as I'm sure others have too, about a course of action if suddenly sufficient funds becam available to bail out the club. On current prices a rough calculation of approx. 4.2 million is the share value, allowing another 2 mill for premium on large share holdings brings it to 6.2 plus players to strengthen and bits here and there the total is already up there. Would anyone in there right mind put that, even as a 'Uber Fan', amount of money into a club with either Lowe, Wilde or Crouch even remotely connected with it?