Saintandy666

I'd prefer to see the maximum amount of points between us and the relegation zone!

An Aston Villa goal would be good right now.

Great crossing from the wings by Puncheon and Guly so far and Stoke seem pretty hopeless at defending them today so keep it coming!

Good work by Guly again.

Nice goal by Jones.

Guly out.

Where is the PL in the European fairplay league atm?

Also, I see we have moved to one point out of the relegation zone which is good. We want to be at least 3 or 4 away by the time of our game in hand. When is that?

Good result. Seemed quite fair really. Fulham are a decent mid-table team so a point away there should be welcomed.

Fantastic from Ramirez.

I forgot I was in the company of you, a modern day Aristotle. In future, I'll make sure my contributions are up to your usual high standards.

It was dangerous. Professional footballers hit the ball seriously hard and Williams wasn't holding back.

He would not leave for leeds. I think he has a certain amount of loyalty to Saints now, as we have helped him a lot in his career and I think he wants to stay with us this year at least to get a decent premier league tally. Why go down a league when he has just got here?! He might leave us for Liverpool I guess... and fair play, it's his childhood team(I think), but Liverpool would never be interested in him.

Do you have any actual evidence that Cortese interferes?

I was there that day. There were 225 police(IIRC) and 50,000 students(much more than expected). It wasn't hard if a certain element of the group wanted to go into milibank for them to do so.

The only thing in dispute here is the word 'Pleb'. Andrew Mitchell still behaved in a way no Cabinet Secretary should. He is acting like he is exonerated when he really really isn't.

It isn't good, no. In fact, it's damn'd right disgusting, but we can't go changing laws for what is the exception... our rights are more important than that, and to change laws just for him would be to take a step closer to the kind of ideology he preaches where rights are non-existent.

Definitely a case for plenty of athletes this year. I certainly couldn't argue against Wiggins being a worthy winner, but I still pick Andy Murray for the reasons I said above. Such a close competition this year.

He does. And the name is misleading. I've always though it was more an award for the sportsman deemed to have been 'most successful' or 'achieved most' or whatever as opposed to just the 'biggest personality'.

Got to be Andy Murray. The sheer physicality involved in that final against Djokovic for the US open combined with the emotional journey of Wimbledon despair to Olympic glory means he should get it in my opinion. Though, to be honest... so many possible winners this year. Such a strong field.

The US gun laws might have been relatively 'harmless' 250 years ago when it mainly just applied to farmers and their muskets, but when it is applied in modern times it means anyone can get their hands on weaponry restricted to the military in most countries. It's mental, and sadly you can't just change the law overnight in the US. The culture is so ingrained, it'd have to be done over generations. It makes nutters so much more dangerous. People have a history of snapping, but in this country, at least when someone snaps they don't have a gun. And also, if it was planned and not spontaneous, they'd have to get hold of a gun illegally first which would create problems in itself. And yet despite the absolute tragedy of Sandy Hook, people from the pro-gun lobby in the US are already wheeling out the tired old 'if more people had had guns, someone would have shot the gunman'. Madness.

I don't see any contradiction between what I have said. Clearly, I have stated in this thread that some Christians are quite welcoming of homosexuality and others are not. I have made it quite clear that I disagree with the latter group, and it is those who I said should move with the times. There is no contradiction there. As for the rest of your point(re: why would a Christian want to get married in a church?), I believe it has already been answered by many people on this thread and other threads(iirc) multiple times. I think you either need to come up with a counterargument to what people are saying in reply to your point or move on to something else.

Religions aren't uniform. As you acknowledge, many Christians no longer take the Bible at a literal level and are completely indifferent to homosexuality. As such, your latter point of a disapproving religion falls apart in many cases. Also, many followers of churches which do still disapprove of gay marriage may still disagree with that interpretation and may wish to express their faith when they get married.

Slightly off topic, but cba to start a new thread. Andrew Rawnsley wrote a very good article on those assuming the UK would leave the EU a couple of weeks bad. It's worth a read. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/25/britain-europe-european-union

You're right, many people want to have a civil partnership(both straight and gay) because of the baggage they perceive that marriage carries with it. Others, however, want a marriage and we should allow that.