Dibden Purlieu Saint

Personally, I prefer the bankers and governments to the scum. The bankers and governments don't kill their kids to try to get a bigger council house. Where's this list of good British products from the 70's that we sold to the World? Just a couple of examples would be good. Rolls Royce plane engines were pretty good and widely exported. But apart from that I really am struggling. Corby trouser press?

No, I'm not blaming. I'm stating that there is a culture that has ingrained itself into the country now over years of incompetence. You can sit there and be pedantic over what I have said, but if you honestly think there is nothing wrong with the culture of people in this country then you are more deluded than I first thought. The point stands, society in this country is screwed. Yeah, we can probably get out of the financial mess, but we can't get rid of the generation of scoungers that currently defines the country.

How am I an uber blamer? And it's not the financial crisis we won't recover from, it's the people and culture that we won't recover from.

But we're talking pre Thatcher here. The products we made then were ****. Don't forget that Rover carried on well into the '00s, and still it was very poor.

And that's up to you. Personally, I'm not a fan of either the UK state or the UK people. There is so much wrong with the country, mistakes made through both Conservative and Labour governments that I believe it's spiralling out of control. At least when we were poor in the 50's, we had a sense of community. Now we have a sense of loathing, a penchant for blaming everyone but themselves, an underclass who are better off than those on the minimum wage. We have sold off the family silver due to years of incompetence and waste. Yet as far as I can see there is no plausible way out of this, left or right. I'm not a fan of the UK state. I'm not a fan of hardly any facets of the UK nowadays. However, I am a fan of the people less.

Then list them please.

What like yourself, who is happy to see innocent fellow countryman die at the hands of the IRA? Very patriotic that is.

I think the privatisation of the water companies was a mistake, but I don't believe we would have done a better job of energy. Nothing I have ever seen built by this country (bar Concorde) would give me the faith in our industries to make a success of it.

Of course I don't, because our countrymen are made up of terrorist apologists and underclass scum. Our manufacturing industry had the chance to be good, but whilst the Germans were making this: And the Japanese were making this: We were making this: Name me one good product that we made and manufactured during the 70's that was succesfully marketed to the world the way the Germans and Japanese did? By the way, I'm not sure about this, but in the 70's why did we not pursue investment in Nuclear power? Was it because we couldn't come up with a nuclear reactor that didn't leak (ie Sellafield/Windscale whatever it's called)? I don't know.

By the way trousers, it's 17.3p per mile, not 0.173p per mile. But I assume you knew that

Well no we don't, because we proved that our manufacturing (apart from in high tech industries) is utter, utter pants. We live in a better, more connected and advanced country due to privatisation. Fact.

I pay 22.7p per mile for mine.

I would have loved to see what kind of losses our 'British Leyland' energy equivalent that we managed could come up with. In the 70's and early 80's we made very poor, loss making products. Why should the government pay to keep these going when they could at least make a profit out of privatising. Personally I'm glad I don't drive an Austin Allegro.

"To make tough decisions is not to be decisive, but to be devisive." Dibden Purlieu Saint, 2013

New one for you Pap: Idi Amin - Genocidal maniac responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Ugandan's and the relocation of thousands of others, or funny fat black man who was teased as a child?

He just is bra', he said so.

And no-one is saying that it was unjust, far from it, but the IRA's response was, frankly, evil.

Considering my parents left the country due to Thatcher to find work, I feel I am well qualified to talk about it. But hey, sh!t happens, you move on and you get over it. Or at least some people do. Just because you seem to think it's fine to kill innocent people as long as you have a means to an end does not mean that we all have to go along with what you say. We all have different opinions. Mine is that those people are evil, and that if you celebrate someones death you have more than a bit in common with them. Pathological hatred of someone to feel like that isn't healthy Pap.

Of course, that's it!!

And yeah, I would say Galloway is certainly verging on evil. Possibly slightly harsh on Red Ken, but he is a massive tw4t.

Ok, I knew someone would come back with a Hitler, Stalin type analogy. I think it's a bit out comparing her to Hitler, as there is surely no comparison. Personally, I think I'd like to see justice done rather than people dying. There is no real victory in that. But that's fine. If people want to be apologists for Adams et al, then go ahead, I personally see them as evil.

I think our definition of evil differs then. All opinions. And yes, anyone who is happy that someone has died is evil. And also a massive c unt.

I'm not saying all left wingers are evil, just talking about George Galloway, Gerry Adams, Ken Livingstone, Joey Barton, Frankie Boyle, in which it's not exactly a ridiculous assertion. I have no problem with people not liking her, she was a very devisive figure. The issue is those celebrating her death. Bit sick IMHO.

I'm not saying that that though, you seem to be reading something into it that isn't there. You look at the calibre of people who are finding joy in her dying, and there is an indisputable link, they're all evil, left wing *****. It just seems to me that people who are agreeing are morally deficient, and that their politics are probably similar. It was an off the cuff comment though, don't let it eat at you.

Not even going to reference Frankie Boyle who said it originally?