angelman

Where did it all go wrong?? Well we had an owner who wasn't interested but was clever enough to know that in order to maximise return the club needed nurturing. So you sell high, buy low(ish) and keep things turning over. By luck or by good judgement this worked for a number of years. But it is nigh on impossible to keep this going, however much we tried to kid ourselves that it was fine and we were ahead of the game. And we are reaping what was sown. TBH I look at Leicester and where we were, the size of the respective clubs, the backgrounds etc, and think that we really shouldn't be too far apart (even if they did win the PL). Not that tonight was necessary to show the current gap between the 2 clubs, but it did. They are good. We are ****.

Ah, the Southampton Way. Is that still going on? Disregarded that ****** as soon as it came out of Ralph's mouth. So yes I get that. As for the rest, I will bow to your more intimate knowledge of what goes on behind the scenes. But I guess we'll get the usual platitudes and nothing will change. Not sure having a seemingly anonymous owner helps. Maybe that is doing him a disservice, but no one seems to be running the club.

I've slowly been losing my desire to go to games, and in some ways hope we go down this season. It will mean that there is a good time to have a clean break from the club while hopefully it sorts itself out. But Monk, aren't all clubs in PL and a few om Champ just companies with trade marks?

And if the club sends one of their ****ing ridiculous post match emails to ST holders thanking them for our support, I'll be ****ed off. The support tonight when 6 or 7 down was good. It wasn't towards the players/club, it was us supporters trying to retain a bit of pride when quite clearly the players couldn't give two ****s.

Just back. No comment, save for what might be an understatement in that I think there seems to be a problem at the club!

You need to watch the 1st goal. And from where I was sat, he stays on his line too much too often. But you are right, its not the reason we lost today.

Looking at the first goal again, he should have grabbed the ball even if he would have got a kick. 100% his. Too many times today, he was doing a Fraser and sticking on his line, when he should be calling and commanding the back line. Wonder whether its not time for a change.

Hoedt - Lazio > Saints Lemina - Juve > Saints Sure the money might be better, but coming to us from those clubs should say something about the direction their career is going in.

Home game would be nice

Yup, reckon so.

We're not very good. But on the plus side, after 21 mins we haven't let a goal in.

It was indeed Tarik rather than Mo https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/spielbericht/index/spielbericht/3149422

What sticks in my mind was when he was attacking our end, and he had fluffed it, he was wandering about behind Chelsea's goal line, while Chelsea were on the break and attacking us. He clearly couldn't give 2 hoots about getting back and helping out. Give me someone like Romeu or Yoshida any day of the week.

£20m on a 4 year contract, and we loan him out for €1m with a €16m option. Fine if they take the option, but pretty p1ss poor if they don't. One would hope that we aren't paying any of his wages.

20:50 LEMINA LOANED TO GALA Southampton midfielder Mario Lemina has joined Galatasaray on a one-year loan deal for an initial fee of €1m. The Turkish champions also have the option to buy the player next summer for €16m.

If players accept high wages after a high transfer, then they have to accept that we want to recoup some of it, so stow the "priced him out of a move" bollix please.

Of all the players potentially going out on loan or being sold (!!!!!), Boufal was my number 1 to be "rehabilitated" and Lemina was number 2. Boufal seems to be doing OK so far, and maybe if no one takes him, Lemina can be reintegrated. Bit of humble pie, and the merest bit of egg on face, and that's about it. No bridges burned. Not hugely complicated and all will be forgotten in a week or two, esp if he puts in a shift. So if he's still here, its not a disaster.

Has anyone said otherwise? I'm not going through the whole thread, but what I've seen and also posted, this is exactly what is being said.

Moi had a couple of good CL games vs Chelsea. Maybe that was what swung it??

Hoedt got 6 caps for Netherlands, so the potential for him to do well was possibly there. It didn't work out. A bit like Lemina as well, and I think we can agree that on his day, he's damn good, but his day is fleeting. Mo and Carrillo were different. Forster was different again. At our level, all transfers are going to be risky. If you spend £40-50m+ then you are more certain of what you will get, but even then there is no guarantee. But to have so many that don't cut the mustard over such a short period of time......!! Maybe there was a certain arrogance involved, in that past signings were great and that there was no reason to think future ones would be any different. Certainly the black box seems to have been pretty bad and there seems less talk about it now a days.

God, in all the excitement, forgot about him!! What a complete and utter mess it has been these past few years. Forster, Ely, Carrillo, Hoedt, Lemina is what, best part of £80m? It was almost £100m if Boufal hadn't been brought back in. Could have got 2 or 3 (potentially!!) really good players in for that, which would make a huge difference to us.

Think the Leminade went a bit flat if Gala is where he's off to. TBH he should have known that Juve > Saints is hardly moving your career forward, so Gala rather than Man Utd is a natural progression (not wanting to put Gala down, its more on the wages front I refer to).

Yes, but the player also has to agree to it. So he might not fancy, for example, some Russian or Turkish club. Given that he is overly ambitious, maybe this too is an issue.

I was listening to talkSport (it was a blessed relief from Brexit) and someone actually came up with an idea that didn't sound too bad, although I am sure that it would be horrendously complicated legally. Basically it revolved around if you buy a club, it is licensed to you for a couple of years in which time you have the opportunity to show that you can run it properly. After the two years is up and you have shown you can do the job, you get the keys. Quite what happens if you don't show you can do the job is where the problems start.

Exactly, what are these issues?? It seems (which of course could be totally wrong), he had too much Leminade one night and said that he'd done his 2 years and wanted to leave and move onwards & upwards, to which the club/manager seems to have acquiesced to (provided that it was at the right price - which is only fair given the outlay to acquire and keep him). That no one "upwards" wanted him, as the fault of his ego. I don't know, maybe clubs see this behaviour from a player who has hardly set the world on fire, and say "nah, too much hassle unless it's dirt cheap" which financially SFC cannot really accept.