The Kraken

What is there to "win"? In your black and white world are people not entitled to hold differing but perfectly valid viewpoints about anything? Or must they all tow the BarcelonaSaint party line at all times? It is perfectly possible to accept that, while the Liebherr period of ownership is a million miles removed from the Lowe era and much more benficial to the long term success of the club, that the roles of Cortese and Lowe are really not too far apart. Which, despite all the posturing and pointless analogies to the contrary, is what the original point made by St Richmond refers to.

The way that the stadium was funded was not on the never never at all; the club had a perfectly serviceable mortgage on the stadium. Some very reckless spending on transfers and chasing the promotion dream meant that we racked up huge debts which became the reason we went into administration. And while you rightly point to the fact that Liebherr PURCHASED the club, you're missing the point again in that Cortese himself is not providing the financial backing.

First of all, you do realise that SLH was separate from SFC, right? SLH secured the funding for a new stadium at St. Mary's. Whether or not that money was borrowed from the bank or otherwise is irrelevant; the "funding" came via SLH to the football club. In much the same way, Cortese has identified a source of revenue in Markus Liebherr and paid to buy the club using that source of revenue. Apart from the fact that Lowe was a complete pr!ck, I'm not too sure how you see there is such an enormous disparity between his and Cortese's roles.

You conveniently forget that Lowe WORKED FOR SOUTHAMPTON LEISURE HOLDINGS PLC who, unless I am dreaming, has INVESTED in SFC Big Time

He is right, the extension of the parachute payments will only lead to more desperation from lower-end Premier League clubs and, IMO, more clubs racking up huge debts in search of short term gain.

How much has Cortese personally invested?

First half was obviously not ideal being 3-0 down. But actually, our second half display, which was with a team much closer to our starting XI next year, won the half 2-1. So not all bad.

Full time. FC Thun 4-2 Saints. Mills blazed over in the last minute as Saints finished the second half the stronger side

FC Thun 4-2 Saints (82) Jose Fonte powers home a Jason Puncheon corner #saintsfc Saints fans are singing were gunna win 5-4!

Fc Thun 4-1 Saints. Dean Hammond converts from close range after an excellent cross from David Connolly . We're gonna win 5-4....

So no Jaidi, Seaborne, Lallana or Richardson. Odd...

Or maybe tell us what we already knew, that a central midfield of Wotton and McNish is probably not going to be our first choice.

FC Thun 2-0 Saints. Dickson's loose pass intercepted and Proschwitz curled in an effort into the top corner just inside the box

Another twitter update Still 1-0 down after 35 mins. Thun quite negative, playing ball about at the back for long periods

From twitter, still 1-0. Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain has looked bright so far, here he is taking on his man

Presumably with it being our first game AP will only want to give the players 45 minutes each. So the second half line up will be (maybe): FourPast; Richardson, Jaidi, Seaborne, Mills; ???, Hammond, Schneiderlin, Lallana; Lambert, Connolly. Aside from the fact that I can't think of a reserve right winger, on paper that's two decent teams we can put out.

Pardew out.

I don't know its part of me getting older, or the globalisation of the game now, but the last two or three World Cups have really given me nothing unique to remember them by. My first proper memories are of Spain 1982, the Naranjito and Paolo Rossi; then the ticker tape, mexican waves, hand of God and general brilliance of Maradona in Mexico 86; follow that by Roger Milla, World in Motion and Gazza's tears in 1990; the whole spectacle of the Yankee doodle festival WC of 94; then France 98 and the genius of Zidane and the Frenchies. Onwards they really all start to blend into one for me. Because of the worldwide scouting network and extensive player migration these days, the former mystery of watching teams such as Cameroon 1990 upset the Arentinians has long gone; I think we (and the teams) know so much about every other team now that the entertainment of the games have become so diluted by negative stopping tactics. This tournament has been a triumph of spoiling tactics and defensiveness, encapsulated by Spain's record breaking low total of scoring only 8 goals on the way to the title.

I will be very surprised indeed if the club announce the number of season tickets sold this year.

If she is a teacher, head of department and a union rep as you say, then she has a very significant duty of care to not be seen putting as much information as she has done into the public domain. I'd be shocked if my own department head / union representative had made similar types of public statements about fellow workers instead of dealing with the problem internally, and if the person that these accusations were made about were to see or hear about what has been posted I'd imagine they would be livid. No matter whether your wife thinks her actions were justified at the time, or that she made a mistake, the fact is that this is a private, internal matter and has no business whatsoever being dicussed in a forum such as facebook.

Having seen the pictures I'm disappointed with the kit. It does look like a training kit, and for me doesn't have anything about it that says "Southampton". Then again, I love the home kit, so swings and roundabouts...

What are you prattling on about you loon? It's got nothing to do with the fact that Prescott comes from a working class background, but everything to do with the fact that he spent years railing against the house of lords and what a sham it was, claiming "I don’t want to be a member of the House of Lords. I will not accept it.” and forever scorning the "flunkery of titles". Absolute hypocrite, and a moron to boot.

Not all that keen from the picture, but it's obviously been photoshopped to high heaven so I'll wait until I actually see the shirt before making a decision on it.

I'm kind of at a loss to figure out what benefit the membership scheme will bring. I had hoped the membership scheme would offer money off tickets, or negate the booking fee; however, tickets for the home games have been on sale for a while now, so I guess we can assume that any sort of price reduction for members isn't going to happen (or those that have bought tickets already are going to be pretty p!ssed off). Also, ff tickets are being sold then being "on the database" isn't necessitated by being a member. So with that in mind I can only assume that to buy tickets for away games you'll need to be a member. There are just no other benefits I can see which, at this point in time, would be realistic. And if that's the case it will be one almighty rip off from the club. I hope I'm wrong, but right now I just can't see any other point to membership.

Maybe in a couple of weeks...