The Kraken

I find it very odd that both Benfica and Villa have been linked with initial offers lower than the figure reported we initially paid for THB. Hopefully the club display again that they know what they’re doing when negotiating fees in. I really do think that anything less than the Shea Charles fee would be too low.

Agree with some of the above, anything less than £25m plus add ons seems under valued to me. Bought by us for £20m, has since played for England and had a great season last season. Transfer fees for PL clubs are constantly on the rise too. He’s got a couple of years on his contract, I believe, so no worries there. Even £25M plus £5M add ons seems a little generous. But I guess being a championship club puts a glass ceiling on it. But it seems we might let him go for less than we got for Shea Charles, which doesn’t seem like a brilliant deal. I also read that Man City have a 25% clause. Saw someone suggest the fee may be low so as to offset a Dobbin payment and so keep the headline fee lower, which could be true I suppose.

Sorry, I thought I was being clear. Quite simply, yes. It’s a very significant problem that it makes it completely ridiculous that it needs a government-approved poster to point it out.

I’ve said before. I don’t think I’ve seen anyone say before that illegal and mass immigration, which adds to a growing UK population without our own resources growing at the same rate, isn’t a problem. I just think people see the solution in different ways. Anyone who says immigration isn’t a problem is an idiot, anyone who tries to attribute it entirely to political leanings falls into the same category as far as I’m concerned.

No, you got it, the poster thing is IMO a complete failure that identifies a very significant problem. Putting something like that out to try to ‘solve’ a problem makes a mockery of it imo.

It’s your point. It’s not the point. You can justify the conservatives as not knowingly bringing in policy all you like. It’s a simple fact that they did it, it was all under their watch. Unlike you, I don’t entirely blame “the right”, as that’s as frankly a pathetic distinction as blaming “the left”. The immigration failure is a complete failure from both sides and needs fixing properly with genuinely real solutions, not the idiotic and ridiculously expensive schemes you lament that wouldn’t make any genuine impact on numbers, scuppered or not by those pesky lefties who you love to shout at.

I can point to consecutive Conservative governments who enabled Brexit (some actively encouraged it) and thus enabled the vast numbers of illegal immigration we have these days. So, yes, I can point at large C and small c conservatives as being the root cause. After that it becomes a bit irrelevant, the Rwanda scheme and the Bibby Stockholm scheme you so admire wouldn’t have made much of a dent.

It’s a stupid mess, is what it is. And makes a charade of a very serious and obvious problem.

Correct, and you’re right to point it out. It’s not pedantic, it is an important distinction to make. The constant need to identify a leftie bogeyman is just bizarre to me. Show me any person who agrees with the notion that there are people of any political persuasion who, I quote, try to restrict any attempt at restricting immigration and I’ll call them a bloody leftie idiot myself. Even Zack Polanski, a man I have absolutely no favour for at all, has confirmed that his party do not think open borders is in any way a pragmatic solution. It’s quite interesting to note that the poster in question laments the loss of Bibby Stockholm and the hideously priced Rwanda scheme. And, while previously acknowledging the Dublin agreement as an extremely useful tool, does not seem to encourage a return to it. I find that approach somewhat contradictory and strange. The blame game of lefties for the current immigration mess is just such a simple approach that kind of misses the point.

Bibby Stockholm was 35 million quid incredibly well spent though. Until the lefties got rid of it.

Can’t be true. We’ve been told on here numerous times by the illuminati, Brexit was a great idea. It was just the (Tory) politicians that implemented it that ruined it. But yeah. Bloody lefties.

Thanks for proving my point. Entirely.

Yep. Said it time and again, anyone who has to resort to the language of “they”, “lefties”, “far right” etc typically, in my experience, goes on to show a fundamental lack of any knowledge of what they’re talking about. This bp lad is another in line that does nothing to reverse my opinion. Just a complete inability to realise that almost all people agree on the problem source, just have different ideas on the best way to counter it. Howling at the moon about it and getting angry online about the lefties is the new cliche.

Dasher is bloody amazing. Amy Hunt is naturally beautiful but Dasher has got the X factor.

Why? Is she a benefits cheat too. I’d probably not report her tbf.