Golac's Cunning Stunts

That's my point; it isn't black and white - some will boo all those players, some will boo some of them, some will welcome them all back as heroes. It's football - an emotional game - get over it.

I don't think you understand football at all do you? It has nothing to do with him being able to command a wedge from arsenal. And it has nothing to do with " abusing a teenager" Why the **** do you even bring that up? He is an opposition player who used to play for saints. By definition he will therefore come in for some stick. Go to any football ground in the country and see if this doesn't happen. If you don't like it go and get excited over rugby where everyone apparently respects each other.

So tell me why exactly we shouldn't boo him? People feel let down that he showed absolutely no loyalty to the club. Why shouldn't he get the same treatment as any other opposition player? Get over yourself it's football not a matter of life and death. Poor little alex will be ok if he gets booed - I'm sure a few million will soon dry his tears.

What a load of bland ****e. Why would anyone get excited about that? Fact: He left saints to join Arsenal. As my old dad used to say: don't pay attention to what somebody says; watch what they do. Not interested in his thoughts on saints in the slightest.

I never could understand why anybody would want to be a referee? Is it because they were bullied at school and want to get off on the power of bossing people around?

Remember this being discussed on here a few years back. Crap journalism. The guy spends most of his time writing about Scottish football and probably should stick to that.

Yes maybe. I've never yet met a Scouser I've liked.

Worked there for a number of years. Loved it. Loads to do and buzzing.

There are 10 types of people in the World: those that understand binary and those who don't

Why do women wear fishnets and then look all ****ed off when they catch you looking at them on a train or in a pub? The fishnets are not affording them any protection from the weather and are surely being worn to be looked at?

No I am not referring to some hypothetical theorem. I am referring to real live experiments conducted with monkeys which proved beyond doubt that they could never produce even 1 intelligible sentence let alone a work of Shakespeare. In the same way as evolution could never produce DNA

In the same way that monkeys will never be able to produce intelligible writing, DNA cannot be produced by unintelligent evolution. This is precisely my point. DNA is a code requiring intelligent design. The monkey argument was quality I thought.

No I have no answer to infinite loops just like you don't. But I do try to examine all areas of possibility and not dismiss them out of hand. What are you going on about "bronze age scripture"? Don't understand. Do me a favour - suspend your long held beliefs and actually do some reading up on the other point of view. Don't just dismiss it out of hand because your small mind is unable to comprehend it (and I don't mean that in a disparaging way either). Start with the DNA one - I am not sure you even understand the argument.

You have not considered the DNA argument for an intelligent design merit at all. You just keep blagging on about infinite loops You have also not given the real ghosts on Youtube videos full merit. There is a difference between organised religion, such as Catholicism, and keeping an open mind about whether or not there might be an intelligence higher than our own out there. In a way, you are no better than the religious guys, just at the other end of the spectrum. I bet you cream over Richard Dawkins books don't you?

Yes this is my point. You didn't even bother to read the link I posted earlier from which this was lifted. Also, just because your mind can't comprehend infinite regression, doesn't make your arguments any more worthy.

So do you believe those ghosts in the Youtube video are real or not :-)

Proof that DNA was designed by a mind: (1) DNA is not merely a molecule with a pattern;it is a code, a language, and an information storage mechanism. (2) All codes we know the origin of are created by a conscious mind. (3) Therefore DNA was designed by a mind, and language and information are proof of the action of a Superintelligence. We can explore five possible conclusions: 1) Humans designed DNA 2) Aliens designed DNA 3) DNA occurred randomly and spontaneously 4) There must be some undiscovered law of physics that creates information 5) DNA was Designed by a Superintelligence, i.e. God. (1) requires time travel or infinite generations of humans. (2) could well be true but only pushes the question back in time. (3) may be a remote possibility, but it’s not a scientific explanation in that it doesn’t refer to a systematic, repeatable process. It’s nothing more than an appeal to luck . (4) could be true but no one can form a testable hypothesis until someone observes a naturally occurring code. So the only systematic explanation that remains is (5) a theological one. To the extent that scientific reasoning can prove anything, DNA is proof of a designer.

Examples of symbolic codes include music, blueprints, languages like English and Chinese, computer programs, and yes, DNA. The essential distinction is the difference between a pattern and a code. Chaos can produce patterns, but it has never been shown to produce codes or symbols. Codes and symbols store information, which is not a property of matter and energy alone. Information itself is a separate entity on par with matter and energy.

No, your logic is seriously flawed here. I am saying that DNA is a code. All codes have an intelligence behind them. Some one or thing designed them. Go figure. And try doing some background reading before you just dismiss an argument because your brain can't comprehend it.

Yes I see your point, but I could tell these were fakes. I still think some of the other ones were unexplainable and therefore real ghosts.

Yes. Didn't think of that.

Here are some ghosts on youtube . MLG note the instruction to have an open mind and think outside the box

It is a code and stands up to every definition of it. It has basic building blocks which can produce certain elements. Eg, legs, teeth, claws, wings etc etc. Trying different combinations of these things results in all sorts of different creatures, some of which are suited to their habitat and thus survive, and others that aren't and they don't survive. So saying that DNA is a code created by an intelligence does not rule out evolution as such. It is just evolution based on intelligent design rather than Darwin's theory of evolution based on randomness. I realise that this is an infantile attempt to explain this, but if you're interested there are a lot better explanations out there on the web. Anyway...can we change subject and start listing links to real ghosts that have been posted on YouTube?

The argument goes something along these lines: All codes, languages, computer protocols etc have an intelligence behind them that devised the code in the first place. Codes don't just evolve from randomness.For example, experiments have been done with monkeys where they let them type randomly on keyboards to see if they produce anything legible. Of course, they don't. The chances of an ape randomly hitting keys and producing a legible sentence are practically zero. DNA’s definition as a literal code (and not a figurative one) is nearly universal in the entire body of biological literature since the 1960′s. Therefore, as with all codes, there must be an intelligent design behind it. This may or may not be "God" as we know God from the Bible, but an intelligent design none the less. Here is a link to the reasoning if you are so interested http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/read-prove-god-exists/

I nominate this thread for the classics hall of fame. I had mlg on ignore but he gets quoted so much on here that it's not worth it. MLG - you a comedy genius. Do you really teach people? I can just imagine - MLG: Where is your homework? Kid: Sorry sir, the dog ate it MLG: hmm, this sounds highly irregular. Canines are carnivores and logic would suggest that paper, which is mad from lumber, would not be of interest to them in their dietary habits Kid: Honest Sir, you have to believe me, it's true MLG: You will have a detention in which you will write a thesis on Darwinian Evolution. And don't put any rubbish in there about God. On another note, ghosts do exist - and they are on YouTube. Just google it. Finally to MLG - if God doesn't exist, how do you explain DNA?