tisspahars

No Che in pictures of players arriving.....

I can't believe he's signed like the club were always completely clear he would, I was sure the bedwetting nutjobs view based on absolutely nothing would prove to be correct.

I think the only thing for certain is that we will be cooking - although it may be with leftovers.

All about opinions I guess but of the players who might realistically stay he'd be top of my wishlist.

1/100 (and that's because that is the lowest the Betfair market goes!) after defeat at Forest. End of thread. See you next year for the "Promotion prices thread".😎

1/25 after defeat at Newcastle (although we touched 1/10 at HT! 😉).

1/20 after the latest debacle against Bournemouth, which, if you have the means, seems high!

1/6 after the heroics/capitulation (delete as appropriate) at Arsenal.

1/12 after defeat to Palace.

Clearly....😄

Firstly, as I have said we will be 1/20 for relegation if we lose to Palace it is clear how little chance I think we would have if we fail to win. Secondly, a two part question..... a) Are we absolutely certain to go down now? b) Have there been somewhere between 7-10 games since the World Cup that this forum has described as "must win" that we failed to win. Answering those two correctly should help you figure out if it is me or the forum (or SOME on this forum) who don't understand what "must win" means.

1/5 after defeat to Man City. Palace next and whilst that's still not a "must win" (people who talk about "must wins" generally don't seem to understand what that means, strangely) it is the closest by some way we've come to one this year. Win and we'll be about 1/2 again (imo), lose and we'll be about 1/20.

That said, having had a night to digest the weekend's results, the market has moved in your direction to 1/4.....

In my experience the fans of every team in the mire always think they are more "gone" than the market does and a read back on these threads over the years tells you ours definitely do!

1/3 after defeat at West Ham.

Eased a touch to 4/7 after the point against Spurs. 9 (NINE) teams at less than 6/1 to go down which is absolutely unprecedented at this stage.

Touched 4/6 after the point at OT, 1/2 after defeat at Brentford, which, whilst that was a bitter blow is somewhat removed from the 100% down narrative that is back in town.

Not picking on you individually because you read this sort of stuff a lot, but this is just nonsense! We don't HAVE to win to have a chance to stay up - obviously it would help (!) but if we draw with Brentford and beat Spurs are you really going to be thinking we are definitely down on Saturday night? Of course not, so we don't HAVE to beat Brentford. Rant over.😉

Back out to 4/7 after the win against Leicester.

I absolutely take your point - and quite clearly we would have better prospects of staying up if a fit Ings was in our squad now - but in that season when we were top in November he only scored 5 goals in the first 16 games so it's not quite that black and white.

We may have to agree to disagree on objectivity - I think we are considerably more likely to go down that stay up but that it is far from certain. I'd say that is pretty objective. And things can change - look not only the mood on here after Chelsea compared with after Wolves but, for an example in reverse, Saints under Ralph producing table-topping form from August to November and relegation form for most of the rest of that season!

With all due respect and stuff 😉I think it's hard to be objective when it's your team. I suspect you thought similar after the Wolves loss but if you had had a huge wedge of money to put on at that point, then after last week's win at Stamford Bridge you would have been left thinking "F*** me! There's a chance I've just done my life savings in here". Most Saints fans are pretty despondent after yesterday, a fair chunk do seem to think we're definitely going down - and of course they may well be right - but Everton fans won't be feeling great this morning, or Bournemouth fans or even Notts Forest fans, whilst Leeds and West Ham fans were feeling the same way before yesterday's games. If (and although it's a big if it's really not that unlikely) we progress to the FA Cup QF this week then beat Leicester all of a sudden the feeling is "Game on!" again. People don't like uncertainty which is why you get so many "That's it, we're 100% down!" moments - which is kind of the reason I've done these threads for the last few years - but the truth is 2/5 is about the right price, we are likely to go down but far from certain and it is likely to stay that way for quite a while yet.

And 4/7 becomes 2/5 after a back down to Earth day at Leeds.

What a difference a win at Stamford Bridge makes to everything, including the betting.......2/7 becomes 4/7.....👀