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Thanks Duncan, I'll let the person know that there may be a possibility. She was not too precise with the dates. Cheers

Suppose there's no chance Barclays will wipe off our debt by setting it against their obscene profit for the last financial year. Would be a drop in the Solent.

Bit like Saints then Saw the Specials at Chippenham Olympiad in 2005 (concert for the Tsunami), not sure they would draw more than a few hundred (not a Specials fan, but enjoyed the night). Same night tickets for Chelski v Saints raised £3000 in a charity auction, those were the days Maybe we could get Coldplay to perform for free, I'm sure Will Champion would be up for it.

Good idea, have done so.

I got a message on a mailing list I am on (not football related) asking if anyone knew about a young footballer dying on the pitch during a Southampton match? The date would be sometime in the period between the wars - I think. The name could be Dyer, Millward or Nicklin surname. I assume the person asking is sure it was a Saints player (i.e. not opposition). I thought I'd try and help this person solve this puzzle. Does nayone here (perhaps amongst the more long in the tooth supporters like me) have any recollection of such an event? Maybe Fitzhugh Fella might know. I can see all the jokes now about players dying on the pitch every week etc etc, especially with the name Dyer mentioned but this is a serious request for info.

+1 We are already a laughing stock, we don't need Holloway the Clown to make things even worse. I want Wotte out, but Holloway would be too much for me to stomach. There are many, much better options out there champing at the bit for a job like Saints even with a lunatic chairman (or two). Should add, what has he ever achieved. I read someone on here slagging off Sturrock earlier, the man with 4 promotions (nearly 5) to his name in the lower leagues. Holloway has only ever achieved promotion once (ironically as runners up to Argyle that Sturrock had guided almost to the championship) and been relegated twice. Even Lowe has not achieved that ambitio just yet. Holloway: Clown and failure.

Why did you leave out Reading? They have succeeded in this division twice, and hardly fit the description above. Not saying I disagree, but there is more than one way to skin a cat. But playing lightweight tippy tappy football directed by a totally inexperienced 3rd rate coach (or 4th rate if you include JP) is not going to give puss to much to worry about.

Bad appointment at Saints, not suited for the Prem or prima donna players. But good manager at CCC/League 1/League 2 level as he has proven time and again. 4 promotions with 4 different clubs, plus an almost promotion with Argyle when we nicked him, proves what a good manager he is at the appropriate level. So he is having a poor season at Argyle this season, every manager will have a spell when they are less effective than they have been before (after all George Burley was allegedly once a good manager before he joined us). There are few managers in the Football League that boast a success rate equal to Luggy.

Sorry Jonny, but if you think 12 points will keep us up, then you will hve a shock. 22 points will get us to 50. Last season Leicester got 52 points and went down. I think 50 will be enough this season, but 22 points from 15 games given our form so far is a stretch goal I'm afraid.

and Agents Fees. For loans there are sometimes loan fees as well. HTH

Depends how accurate you are with your kicking, can you hit a small target?

3 seasons at Walsall, including promotion from Third Division to Second Division and a win percentage of over 45%. Two seasons assisiting Lawrie Mac when he was Northern Ireland manager. Agreed, fly-by-night, unsuccessful manager

But he wasn't relatively successful either. 6th place acieved thanks to a great degree to the input of Glyn Snodin... For wanting to hound out GB, Alps was absolutely spot on.

Its not illegal. It may be against Football League or FA Rules but that doesn't make it illegal. The Old Bill wouldn't give a toss if someone owned 2 football clubs, but Lord Mawhinney might. However, lets say Wolves are in the Premier League (FA) and Saints (being optimistic) are in the CCC (FL) I'm not 100% sure that there are rules that prevent this, though I would suspect there are. Otherwise Manure's owners or someone could also own a feeder club like Bury.

Problem that everyone seems to ignore though is that whether or not we did oe did not have less in the bank the following year, this was due to Mike Wilde. As far as I can determine this is the same Mike Wilde who acted as king maker for Lowe to get him back into power. The Lowe suporters like to blame Wilde (and Crouch) for the mistakes after Lowe left, but conveniently forget that the same idiot is now in cahoots with Lowe. Two business failures running the plc with no idea how to run a successful footbal club is twice as bad as either one of them being in charge IMHO.

Not being harsh on Bennett at all (thanks for reminding me of his name), re-read my post and you will see that I was saying he was good after looking absolute crap in his first 2 games. Like you I may have preferred to have Bennett back, but that isn't happening, and never was going to. I think the rest of your post is just complete drivel. Lipstick has played at a decent level (better than bottom of CCC) and is also Hungary u21 internatinal 15 times. He has been brought in as cover because we only had 3 recognised CBs. I don't expect him to be our next Mark Wright, I actually hope he never plays, because that would mean our first choice CBs Perry and Seijs are injured or suspended. There is no inconsistency between Wotte's stamenent and Lipstick joining - he is better than what we have, because we have nothing for 4th choice CB, and to be fair he is probably better than Olly currently is (he will be good one day). Fair enough blasting Lowe and Wotte, i do it all the time, but find something valid to blast them for, there are plenty of things that fall into that category, and get off the back of a player who has come here to help out, won't be earning much money, probably won't play much

Think maybe people are being a touch unfair to Lipstick. Seems quite clear to me he was signed as cover, our first choice centre backs are Perry and Seijs now. Lancashire is also (emergency) cover. With Killer now seemingly finished it was important to have some specialist cover, unlikely that Perry and Seijs will manage evry remaining game. Lipstick has played 15 times for Hungary u21 (although he is now 24) and made 26 appearances for Ujpest (he has only been there since June). Now Ujpest may not be the greatest team in the world, but 2nd in the top division in Hungary is probably still at least as good as mid table CCC (better than us in other words). For a cover thats OK, as long as he is fit, and has decent ability. His proposed transfer to Southend seemingly ended mysteriously, no hint that he wasn't good enough, Tilson said he desparately wanted to sign him. I am as critical as anyone how this club is being run, but criticising Lipstick before he has even played is out of order in my book, I would expect we will only see him play a handful of times if one of the others is unavailable, he can't be any worse than the guy from Reading last year (sorry dementia setting in), and in the end he turned out to be quite good.

So why rely on them to get us out of the **** in the CCC? Lowe thinks they're big enough and old enough. There really weren't that many of the inexperienced youngsters playing against Sheff Utd anyway, McLaggon maybe, who else? James has played most of this season. Lallana played before this season. Surman is probably one of our most experienced players now in terms of appearances. Take a look at the team again, we have stopped playing the real nippers, apart from McLaggon.

Stanley's reply is only as one-dimensional as yours. Only a Lowe luvvy could think the snow is Lowe's fault, if you consider him to be your God then he could influence the weather I suppose. Everyone knows the country grinding to a halt is Wilde's fault, not Lowe's.

I guess people will accept the inevitable sooner or later. With the current set up we will be relegated. I have already resigned myself to this, it makes it easier to take the continual bad results once you realise that we are ****ed and have been since this ridiculous experimentation started when Lowe returned. Watford is not a big game. I expect Watford to be relegated along with us and Charlton. So even if we beat them, what has that gained? Frankly, our hoe game against Watford was a "bigger" game than this, and we lost 3-0 with one of the most inept displays I have ever seen. There will be no-one happier than me if we achieve a miracle and escape, but anyone seriously thinking about how we will achieve this, other by miraculous means is merely prolonging the agony.

No, thats not the problem. Other clubs have no money and are not in the same situation as us. Having no money does not mean employing crap managers, or loaning out good players. Lack of money is an excuse peddled by Lowe. It is not the reason we will get relegated. Simple as that.

Please can we have this offensive material removed...

Don't get me wrong, I agree Lowe is insane, but blaming Woodward for our relegation is a bit daft, given he joined AFTER we were relegated. He was cause of much disruption when we were first in CCC, because he couldn't work with Saggy Chops, and introduced Simon wahtever his name was, who was clearly completely off his rocker. Lowe has done some stupid things, maybe the Woodward experiemnt was one of them, but it wasn't the cause of us being relegated...

Clowns are funny (sometimes), doesn't make them good football team managers. Holloway is a clown. He is better than Wotte, but then so am I.

Once again, here are the rules for FL Standard Loans: 48 Standard and Emergency Loans 48.1 Standard Loans. Subject to the provisions of Regulation 47.3, Standard Loan transfers shall only be approved in accordance with following provisions:- 48.1.1 Subject to the proviso that the duration of a Standard Loan must be the time between two Registration Periods, Standard Loans can be for half a Season or a full Season. Any recall clause requiring the early termination of a Standard Loan can only be included in a full Season Standard Loan and this can only be activated during the second (January) Registration Period . 48.1.2 Notwithstanding the provisions of Regulation 48.1.1, a Standard Loan of a goalkeeper (but not otherwise) may be subject to a recall clause exercisable at any time. Any recall may only be implemented in extenuating circumstances and with the consent of the Executive, such extenuating circumstances to be determined in the Executive's absolute discretion. A goalkeeper shall not be permitted to resume any Standard Loan following the exercise of a recall. 48.1.3 A Club can have a maximum of 4 Players under 23 and a further 4 Players over 23 on a Standard Loan during any Season. The deadline for determining a Player's age in this respect shall be 30 June prior to the Season in which the Standard Loan is intended to take place. 48.1.4 No more than 2 Players who are over 23 may join one Club from another Club on a Standard Loan in any Season. 48.1.5 Standard Loans which subsequently become permanent transfers shall not count against a Club's quota of such Standard Loans for that Season No recall is possible for a loan that is less than a full season. Full season loan recalls can only beeffected during the transfer window which has just closed. None of our loans are coming back before the end of the season. End of. http://www.griffinpark.org/forums/showthread.php?t=55637