VectisSaint

When does the game in hand kick-in?

Tell you what (or Wotte), how crucial was that win today. Every other result, except Norwich wet against us. If we had lost today we would have been absolutely dead and buried. Can't believe some of the other scorelines...

Agreed, Lowe and Wilde you should be ****ing ashamed of yourselves wanting us to fail...

5 subs = 2.5 minutes

Or for the slightly older (bit not much): Six foot Two Eyes of blue, Big Jim Steele Is after you

I hear they sat and admired the picture of the steam engine...

Its not cool to like Lawrie Mac

Why isn't our anger directed at Wilde? It is

This would explain why he let Rasiak and Skacel go out on loan last January then would it? Fact is Crouch had most of the ideas that Lowe has continued since his return, including shutting the corners and stopping the free buses, both of which were initiated under Crouch's leadership. You see the difference between Crouch and Lowe is that Crouch is a successful business man.

Photo caption: "The Quakers have struggled to attract fans to the Darlington Arena" It may be something to do with only having 4 players on the pitch At least they can go into admin and still be comfortable mid-table

The Trust really do not have a clue, do they. They are actually proposing 2 professional CEOs, one for the plc and one for the FC. I guess in a situation where there is a need to cut costs, that would help. What would make more sense would be to merge the 2 boards, and have one professional CEO, add Crouch and one other (MP or someone like Salz, for instance)to the merged board (and none of this Saints Trust board member nonsense). So that would be CEO, Lowe, Wilde, Crouch, Cowen and Jones + A N Other. Even then it would not do any harm to dispense with Cowen, although to me he is the most sensible of the lot, but a 7-man board seems too big. With the right CEO, and a willingness by the "3 amEgos" to sort this mess this could be made to work.

If we had to get 2 out of the 3 off our books, Saga and Ras were already sorted before the season was underway I think. I understood that there was a falling out with John when JP refused to make him first choice of McG (quite how anyone could makes such a stupid decision is beyond me), and so john wa spushed out. No recall was possible for Saga, so could not get him back until January, and this became clear anyway once Todd (?) was known to be leaving Allborg. So, once John had got the boot for upsetting Nice But Dim, we were actually stuffed until 1st January. I don't think that its a case of now being able to afford to play Saga, I suspect we could have equally afforded to play him August-December, but had lost the opportunity. Still a huge gaff by Lowe, but explainable due to subsequent events.

Lowe would not write a polite letter to his customers (sorry supporters), he would simply have them ejected. Made me laaugh though to think about people getting excited at Boro games LOL

Thought Surman played regularly last season. McG was also used occassionally, especially by NP. Gillet is not a kid, Lallana was blooded by Burley and Pearson as well. Really James is the only one to have broken through regularly this season as a result of the Lowe Master Plan. If Wotte was his key man, why did he wait until over half-way through the season to make his key man count. Quite clear that Lowe did not know what he was doing, and only due to JP realising he was out of his depth and resigning did Wotte get a chance. Too early to say whether Wotte will prove to be any better than JP, after all he has same number of home league wins, and has managed his one win against Preston, who JP also manager to beat. Some encouraging signs but too early to draw any conclusions.

How can you leave it to the end of the season to pass judgement on Lowe's master plan? The master plan has clearly been abandoned because it failed. This is now Plan B. Too early to judge yet whether this plan is any better, one win does not a football season make. Still the signs are promising that some people have learned that playing kids does not work, playing a few kids within an experienced team does.

The report says he was carried off during a regular training session. The picture is obviously nothing to do with the report, as it is blindingly obvious that it is during a match, the clues would be the referee or assistant whichever and the St Johns Ambulance staff - you don't usually get refs and St Johns at traiing sessions. HTH.

Well if it was only because of 20 quid, why didn't the arrogant tosser let us know. We could have had a whip round. Bloody hell, another 20 we might have had John as well...

Look up his record and you will find out. One small success (QPR) after he helped get them relegated, nothing else. Relegated Leicester to add to his brilliant CV. Tha man is a clown, an embarrassment to football, and a two-time failure, that about sums him up. No trophies, 2 relegations, 1 promotion and a play-off final loser. The man is a loser. Always will be.

Bit like Holloway then. Some people think Holloway would be great yet he is a total and complete failure, with only one small success to his credit, and is a clown to boot. Too a degree I agree that Adams is not exatly what we need. Would prefer Cotterill.

Attempt at homour from the person who thinks being called fartpants is funny. Pathetic really. Lets see if Wotte saves us from relegation at the end of the season like Pearson actually did. If he does all credit to him.

Great result today, good performance by the sound of things. Deliberately didn't listen, only caught up at half-time. Credit Wotte, who made plenty of enemies this week among supporters, he does at least seem to have changed things drastically from Nice But Dim. At least I can have a happy weekend. BUT, bottom line is we are still 23rd. The proof of the pudding will be on what follows. 3 points at home is what we should be expecting, fact is only 2nd home win all season. Well done Mr Wotte, perhaps if you had kept your mouth shut before the game, things would be even better tonight.

No-one wants Administration, not even Alps. However, it is clear that we have been or are very close to it, this is not hearsay, it has come from the Board themselves - therefore many are resigned to the fact that it will occur. That is very different to wanting it. The worst case scenario though is that Lowe who is a complete failure in every respect with running this organisation (not the so-called succesful businessman that a small minority on here would like us to believe), will even mess up that decision. To make things even worse the possibility that he may still be involved after Administration in some form sends shivers down the spine. Administration is as far as I can tell, almost inevitable, like relegation, the only small silver lining behind this cloud is that the rather large nut will not longer be allowed to make things even worse.

Interesting, thanks Nick. My only comment on that would be that Saeijs has less experience of the previous nice but dim coach than anyone else in the squad. Good to hear though, sounds like Wotte is at least more able and experienced as a coach than JP, though frankly that would not be too difficult. I don't doubt that Wotte is taking things more seriously than JP, and has better ideas about how to achieve some success (his CV alone would give you that impression), but do feel that he is seriously lacking in understanding the politics of football, and particularly Saints, and would be well advised to keep his own counsel and not alienate a significant number of customers, sorry supporters as he seems intent on doing. Thats a significant differenc between Wotte and Pearson, getting back to the original point of the thread.

Thought about ignoring your post, as clearly you have problems reading or understanding other people's straightforward questions, but on reflection thought I would anyway. I never said anywhere whether it was right or wrong, or whether I agreed or not, I was simply asking a perfectly reasonable question, and Dibden came back with a sensible reply indicating that there was no evidence. If you don't have anything sensible to contribute to a debate may I humbly suggest you shut the **** up!! However, to come back to the point I think you were trying to make in your garbled bile-filled message, yes football team managers should and do have a responsibility for the behaviour of their players, and a true disciplinarian would not allow the players to be seen "out on the lash", especially in troubled times. Not to say it wouldn't still be tolerated, but would be kept discrete.

Thanks Dibden, nice to get a sensible response rather than the crap spouted by Thedelldays. A disciplinarian would cover not just the activities at the training ground but also how the players behave.