VectisSaint

Evidently Everton and Villa are in a race to sign Surman. Wonder if they were at the game last night.

Could be a trend, don't forget Imants Bleidelis keeping Marians company as well.

I suspect Lowe is planning to flog the horse who is currently not looking too well

Scorer Rasiak

Nah, watching Champions League

Last 4 Matches table looks better Bit worrying that Derby are top of the 8/6 match form table. Time for Cloughie's bubble to burst?

What is the Champions League? Sorry I support Saints. Whether I go or not I don't consider watching Manure or Arse to be a rival to Saints. I will listen to the commentary and the TV probably won't even be switched on.

I'm honoured that you think I talk sense sometimes My point was, and perhaps I didn't make it as well as I could have done, that at the time when Stern went to City (several weeks into the season) it was much clearer how they were doing. They were not down among the dead men scrapping with us to avoid relegation, and in theory at least if John had started banging them in it may have benefited us (it didn't but thats another story). The Rasiak situation was in my opinion just daft. Before the season started we should not have loaned anyone to any of our CCC rivals, which I think is what I said, because at that stage we did not know whether we would be battling against them or not. I am completely against loans within the same division, so disagree with John and Dyer as well, but at least with the current set up I could sort of understand the logic, whereas with Rasiak it was just plain stupidity. Responding to someone's point about Crouch not guaranteeing that he would not loan to another CCC rival, perhaps he didn't, but at least he actually loaned Rasiak and Skacel to the Prem and Bundesliga respectively.

Brett is not an issue, he wasn't a loan. But what is madness is loaning players to rivals. I have no problem loaning Rasiak out, I was never a fan of his, and although he did score 20+ in the past time has moved on and he is not the player he was. Nevertheless to loan him to a rival relegation candidate is utter lunacy (OK, some will say Watford were not expected to be a relegation candidate, fair enough, in which case don't loan within the same division). At least when Stern went to Bristol we knew he was not going to a rival, and perhaps he could more damage playing against our rivals (as it turned out he hasn't done much of that either). My view is that loans to other teams within the same division should be outlawed. It makes a mockery of competitive football.

There are 2 actually, Wilde and Lowe

Astute business sense to copy what Leon Crouch did last season. Sorry but Rasiak has scored 6 goals this season. It was actually one of Lowe's more sensible moves, Rasiak is a lazy toe-rag who had a couple of good seasons but is now past his sell-by date. Watford are not serious candidates for relegation, would be different if we had loaned him to Blackpool, Barnsley, Nottm Forest etc. Now if you want to talk about stupidity consider the loan of Saga, followed by Stern John.

Nothing to do with whether I agree with him or not, don't judge others by your own standards. Clearly he has no idea what he is talking about some of the time (not surprising, no history with the club so thats not a criticism). But he should stick to his job of managing/coaching the team. He doesn't need to get involved in the other stuff, and by doing so only antagonises some supporters whatever he says. I don't think Burley, JP, NP or others really ever spoke about the politics, Wotte should follow these examples. If you want to encourage supporters, don't antagonise them, just win games and play good football.

The revoluition is complete, never happened under JP

Have no recollection of any fans backlash against Wotte before, only vaguely remember him being mentioned as being wanted by Woodward at the time. Then out of the blue along comes Burley. Given the CVs of these two I'm hardly surprised that Lowe went for Burley, I'm equally surprised that if Wotte was offered the job and this was then withdrawn that he didn't tell Rupert later to stuff his offer, appalling treatment. Nevertheless what it does show is that CVs can be worthless. Maybe Woodward actually had more vision than Lowe (not much of a shock there), as we found out with Burley and his appalling tenure at Saints, buoyed only by the time we were able to employ Snodin as assistant). It would be interesting to consider where we might be now if Woodward's view had prevailed. Of course we will never know, and its probably also still to early to judge Wotte based on 3 vistories, but he has certainly turned things round faster than Burley ever did. My one big criticism of Wotte remains that he should keep his mouth shut about non-football matters. As a case in point why was the club statement about BWP and Mcg made by Wotte? This should come from one of the Chairmen, not the head Coach. His continued attacks agianst the supporters is also bad form. If he sticks to football and gets results, supporters will respect him.

That'll be the Boyle twins. Wilde bogof

I received Saints March Newsletter tonight by email, but could not find details of the protest in it.

OK, here you go....

Evidently Illingsworth has decided that he speaks for us all and that the Parliament is not necessary as the Trust is already in place. I don't think the Parliament is necessary, but the Trust is hardly worthwhile either. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/default.stm

Thought we were comparing Rasiak with Euell. This proven goalscorer malarky, 5 this season, is that particularly good? Less than McG (although less games to be fair). More than Euell this season (but Euell has played less games). How many last season? Proven goalscorers have some good seasons, he has not been prolific for nearly 2 years now.

Easy call, Euell any day. More energy and more versatility. Has also scored almost as many goals this season (2) as Rasiak (5) having played less games. I don't see why anyone would want Rasiak back, OK maybe he was good for us 2 years ago, but time has moved on. Euell is one of the main reasons, in my opinion for our recent resurgence (along with Saeijs amd Saga) .

Hope not, the point of the protests should be as much if not more about getting rid of Wilde. If this is achieved the other aim will happen as a result. Wilde and Lowe should BOTH be the targets. If it were not for Wilde, Lowe would not be here, and if it were not for Wilde we would also not be in the financial ****.

The rot had already set in with Burley and was then taken to greater depths by G&D. Under Burley that players were unfit, and lacked motivation, recall our early season form when we had no proper centre backs (and Bennett's early disastrous form, made up for later by some excellent showings). Turning things around after Burley, Dodd and Gorman had done their worst was very difficult - improving fitness in March is not really feasible, especially stamina which is the major mistake Burley made. OK, NP got a bit lucky, but his task was difficult in the extreme, and he just about pulled it off.

I'm with several others in believeing that 51 points will not be enough this year. I would say more like 53 or 54 but our target should be 55.

Do they clean boots any more, surely they just throw them away and use a new pair... I think this could be a useful role for Lowe