Charlie Wayman

Southampton & Portsmouth = Solent Seafarers?

Disgraceful and sadly reminiscent of the bad old 70's and 80's when thuggery ruled football. It was not a tiny minority it was almost a quarter of the people attending. I would think the police will be getting quite worried about this type of mass social unrest. There is a lot of anger about right now in the UK, anger about the excesses of bankers who have brought our country to its knees, anger about the joblessness that has followed and local anger about the catastrophic mismanagement of our football club that has led to its current disastrous predicament. It is a toxic mix that is brewing unedr the surface and clearly from Saturday's events it could explode anytime on the streets. The danger is that it spills over in this very nasty way - like war - against other groups perceived as the enemy who are not the enemy at all. Burnley fans were here for a nice day out in the sun enjoying out City supporting their team in it's bid for a play-off place. They did no deseve to be confronted with such hostility and should not have been. More than a few VERY DECENT Burnley fans would have been terrified of what might have happened next. What happened was a disgrace to Southampton Football Club and to WE so-called fans however virtuous we may claim to be on here. None of us are guiltless as we have all done our worst to stir up bad feelings all season long. Anybody who claims this was anything other than rampant hooliganism is a moron and enemy of society. I hope those who o the trouble can be identified and banned from SMS for ever.

I stayed away most of this season when lowelife returned. As soon as he went I came back again and so too did about 7/10000 other fans. Any new owner is no different to any old owner. Especially in the Third Division, they will know that their main and only significant source of income is gate receipts. They would not be successful business men if during Due Diligence they did not want to know why the attendance figures at SMS have been so sensitive to all the external factors affecting the club during the past three years. Last time we were in the Third Division, gates slumped to 8000 when you could still get 32000 in The Dell to see Manure and the like. If Lowe showed his face this might well fall to 3500 - yes, really - especially if no progress is made early on to cancel te points deficit. Like many fans have stated on here, if he comes I'm gone! If you're reading Lowe, remember that you have to declare YOUR hand before I DECLARE mine, i.e. buy a season ticket, so think about it very hard. Don't think you can bluff this one out 'cos there just are not enough hardcore fanatics to pay your wages. **** Off for good! You see, we do have power.

If he buys Saints they'll play to gates of 1,327.

I don't know why he thinks we love him and that he is indispensable to Saints FC. He's just an ordinary local bloke who happens to have made a bit of money. So am I but I wouldn't presume to foist myself on fans as their spokesman after all the sh*t that he has helped d create in the last couple of years. Don't give me all that crap about 'loyalty to Saints' and so on. All these blokes are part of a failed self-serving regime and if any of them had a modicum of decency they'd b***er off and leave our club in untarnished hands. the sooner a new owner rids us of Crouch, Mcmenemy and any other hanger on who doesn't have the wit to know when their particular party is over the better we'll be for it. Sod off!

I bloody well hope not. The bloke's an incompetent clown, totally bloody clueless and about as inspiring as a two-week old banana.

So what is f***ing useless in Polska then?

Who'd be a copper these days? If they'd been allowed to clip snotty little chavs around the lugholes a few years ago that wouldn't have to punch drunken slobs into submission now. Sow the seeds, reap the harvest. Give 'im one for me an' all!

The Council cannot and will not be allowed by to buy SMS with taxpayers money. This is not only a DAFT idea but betrays ridiculous wishful thinking that is very damaging to the notion that people trying to get together to 'buy' Saints are seriously professional in their thinking and projections. Any potential purchase must come from the private sector and only Tesco or ASDA are in good enough shape financially right now to even consider such a venture; whether or not they'd be interested in developing a retail / entertainment complex down there is open to debate. On the other hand Tesco have been stone-walled on their Plan for a giant national warehouse at Andover airfield so why not let them take over the SMS industrial area which by good fortune is next to the docks? Just might suit them?

Maybe Crouch has told Fry that HE will buy Saints FC after the winding-up but not the other assets of SLH. That would be good in one sense but bad from the point of view of being like Brighton were, homeless. It would also by-pass the debt problems of SLH. A temporary ground on The Common rented from the Council with scaffolding stands etc. is obviously one clear possibility but whether that could be done in time for next season is questionable, as planning consent and the like would need to be obtained and for sure our chaps in blue would want limited access of say 5000. They have plenty of big events up there so the capability to do it exists somewhere in the City. At least this would buy time to get a resolution on the future ownership and use of the stadium which I still believe will come down to Tesco or ASDA wishing to expand down there.

What financial irregularities? This is crap from beginning to end. Junk it!

We just go round and round in circles on here talking about this. I wonder if people who start new threads ever bother to read anything else other than their own writings. It is quite obvious that we have not been able to attract a buyer during the past three years so why do you think anything will change now in a credit crunch. £27 million debt, no idiot on earth is going to go for that for their "love" of Saints. The Official Receiver will be called in in August and SLH as we know it will be wound up. If somebody buys saints FC, they will have to hope that a buyer can be found for SMS and who will be altruistic enough to preserve the stadium as a soccer ground and lease it back to saints. Just maybe Tesco or ASDA might do so if they can develop a shopping complex around it.

Tom Evans of Testwood Harriers....

You are right, of course. I was talking to somebody very high-up at a top auditing company in the City this morning about Saints' chances of getting out of Administration before The Official Receiver is called in and he said quite candidly "With their £27m debt in the present financial climate nobody on earth will buy the club, no chance at all" The person thinks the club will have to be wound up. Sorry, guys but this person knows where it is at and has no axe to grind.

That's me finished now for good. Bye, Bye, Saints! Don't bother looking for me next Saturday, I'll be shoveling manure on my allotment rather than watching it again at SMS. Sh*t* looks the same and smells the same wherever so how will I miss it?

Why go on torturing yourselves. We are down already. A Forest win tomorrow and that's it. Doesn't matter what we do any more.

The major flaw in your argument is the Math. In any projection like yours the first rule is BE REALISTIC! There is just too much pink-haze wishful thinking in your idea to be taken seriously. There are only 10 or 11K ST holders and they are the most likely people to join a membership scheme. I'd suggest 40% of them MIGHT i.e. 4250 tops. Of the walk-ups and other casuals, say a maximum of 12k, it is hard enough to persuade them to become ST's so NO chnace at all many would spend the sort of money that would by a good ST twice over on a membership scheme that gives them nothing. The only workable solution is to keep plugging away at ST sales to get attendances up to 25K regularly not just as a flash in the pan once a flood when the papers are full of Saints 'desperate predicament'.

I just don't have anything to give like most seniors; an option for £0 is not selectable

The aim of the points deduction is I believe to ensure that crafty directors don't wind up a club then immediately re-buy it free of debt and carry on regardless as if nothing had happened. If SLC found a buyer willing to take on the debt as well as the assets, then I don't see how the FL could deduct points from Saints. It is the DEBT issue that will dog us in legal negotiations with the FL.

Still the buckets are useful for all those guys p*ssing in the wind.

Far too little, FAR too late. We deserve to go down on this showing and we will.

Unfortunately, most likely it will be my second last game. I'll nip along for Burnley whatever our situation and the reason is not masochism but honouring a vow to myself that once Lowe had gone for good, I'd be back, having missed a goodly chunk of this season through Judas Wilde despite being an (expensive) ST holder. Should we stay up, I'll be back for more next season but if as is infinitely more likely we go down, I will not be coming back. I did my fans 'apprenticeship' watching Third Division football back on the 50's & 60's - at least then there was always hope that better days could come; sure enough propelled by Terry Paine, John Sydenham and Ron Davies, Saints realised all our hopes and by the time most of you guys were addicted to Red & White we were a vintage First Division side. Let's be very clear in our own minds that despite all the smoke & mirrors nonsense of re-branding by the FA, FL and their cohorts, Saints will be playing THIRD DIVISION football next year and nobody should expect crowds of more than 11,000 even for the 'big' games against Southend & S****horpe.

Still lost after a gutless display despite the support of fans.

Typical of those lazy Rrseholes, we care, they don't gve a f***! They may not give a toss but I do and I'm up to here with it all. Why should we drag ourselves down there on Monday to watch this load of horse s****? I am not a swearing man but their lack of "performance" today really has made my blood boil. I hope they all sod off in the close season

Another Idea. Screen all our remaining away games on the SMS screens and let fans attend as for a normal match paying normal ticket prices... like a cup game, you'd get your own seat but you'd have to pay for it?