Charlie Wayman

You forgot No easy games If we keep the ball, they can't play football This is big club and many teams who come here will respond to that by raising their game At this stadium teams like (T*******) coming here will set themselves up defensively; it'll be hard to break them down but we've got to learn to deal with that... etc When does the learning start Adders?

He should be reminded of the old adage, the longer the message the less important the content or bull**** baffles brains or if he talks non-stop (drivel) all the time (one mouth) , what is happening with his other critical brain inputs of listening (two ears) and observing (two eyes) Come on Adders you've talked the talk, now ge on with walking the walk!

Law of averages?

What a load of ********! Of course he is a very good player otherwise why would he be picked for Wales u-21's? Have you ever seen him play?

These are the salient reasons, put succinctly. Well observed and well said!

It's called being disenfranchised or in plain English marginalised... The Club have made it obvious that the views of only one person matter to them, hence no interaction with fans hence nothing worth the candle to talk about hence an uninteresting website. Don't expect things to get any better soon. For sure we'll all be on here to moan on Monday and Wednesday after the next two defeats but then 'puff' it'll be back to zilch again... and the band played on and on?

Man C with all their wealth cannot get their act together so what chance Saints succeeding on very much less money. Not very good as is being proved right now. In a way it is good that money doesn't guarantee success. Everton next for the drop? After Saints fell from grace they are the next longest serving top flight club so obviously their time for the big fall.

Not me. I have a dental appointment at 2.30 and have elected to have three teeth removed without anesthetic which beats watching Saints in their present stupor anytime. At least when I've finished screaming obscenities at the dentist the agony will be over....

Make the goals bigger! There, it wasn't that difficult was it?

What has amazed me most is that Adkins probably signed a contract with Cortese guaranteeing him promotion. If he doesn't achieve it he may have to resign. Is he confident, just plain daft or does he know something we don't. I'd have to say right now we look more like relegation material than promotion candidates.

We feel let down, simple as that. We are given a bucket load of promises about our future year-after-year by a whole succession of boards which are never fulfilled, we have to endure changes of direction about every 15 months for whatever reasons and we never ever win anything worth winning. Everything we do as a club seems to have been done on the cheap so we know we are never going to get top players or managers and coaches here and we know all our best talent will be groomed for the highest bidder and we just know we will only ever recruit has-been's, wanna-be's and no-hoper discards from bigger clubs and we know it will all change again next year and etc. etc... so that's why we are all so tetchy and ****ed off with every new promise or revelation and every broken dream and the eternal promise of jam tomorrow. I know I have not made myself popular of late because I expressed the view that Adkins is a typical Saints appointment but as a fan who saw his first game in 1948 and has remained loyal ever since it is beginning to look doubtful to me that anything will ever change here. When you are young and much of this history is unknown to you it is quite understandable why you are full of undiminished hope and expectation. I was the same and sometimes still am. Those of us who have stuck it out through thick and thin (except for the second coming of Rupert Lowe) are entitled to feel a bit cheated. Disappointment must be the over-riding sentiment of any Saints fan who has endured it all for so long. ..and just to reinforce my point, Mr Cortese has promised a selected group of fans that the stadium will be improved. My response to that is "When?" After all Mr Cortese you have been here for over a year already and nothing has changed yet... the food is still bad, the loos are disgusting and the queues for drinks ain't worth joining. It all sounds like just another empty politicians promise, always the "What's" but never the "How's" and "When's". You'll see much the same during the Labour leadership discussions.

I do not understand why the Echo should continue to seek and publish the ill-informed views of the publicity seeking SISA ranter Illingsworth who poses as the voice of the people but in fact is the voice only of one lonely poorly informed ranter who has zero access to the club and no public audience beyond his own living room. Time to "Shut Up!" Illingsworth and get yourself a real job that might occupy all your apparently well hidden talents.

Lambert and Hammond will be off as soon as AP calls, Schneiderlin and Lallana will want out in January because their skill deserves another level of both football and managers. Butterscotch and Puncheon should resign before they embarrass themselves anymore. I'd keep Harding, Chamberlayne and Barnard - the rest can go. Sorry, Adders old boy, best to do what Jan did and play the reserves, they couldn't be any worse!

I expressed my exactly similar sentiments last week and have received torrents of abuse ever since but I'm with you all the way. It was evident to all with eyes and a brain that during pre-season and the gutless, inept performances against Argyle and Orient that half our blokes weren't fit, weren't bothered and weren't up for it. Too many are being sufficiently over-paid on long enough contracts to be in their own personal comfort zones. At the end of the day most out there now are kids having a bonanza day at our expense entering the twilight of their careers. Trouble with many on here is that "they can't stand the truth". I'm not fussed about the why's and wherefore's of AP's sacking 'though, it was inevitable sooner or later because of the well reported lack of empathy between the two men for some time. No doubt a recent single event will have been excuse enough for the club to finally swing the axe and end the impasse. Remember during the first two games Pardew sat it out in the dugout for most of the first halves and when eventually he made it into the technical area, stood there largely motionless with arms folded, what did that tell us? By the time Adkins has bedded himself in and worked out who's for him and who's against, it'll be Christmas and he will need all of next spring to engineer yet another 'Great Escape' with a rebuilt team.

You get what you pay for, we do it on the cheap we get cheap results. Get ready for life in Division 4, it'll be interesting as we haven't been that far down before. Can't happen? Luton used to be in Division 1... say no more.

He's talked the talk so let's see if he can walk the walk tonight. if we get beaten 3-0 I winder what the pro-Adkins lobby will say tomorrow?

or the opposite of course

Nobody gave him a tough time 'though. What happened to the seacrching questions that make people squirm in their chairs. Invite 15, they feel special, sell them the 'poor me' routine and off they go, pleased as punch! Works every time. Go along and listen by all means but make sure you shove your tongue up your cheek and not elsewhere.

PS Last post should read "The only problem with this line..."

The only problem with this lie is that we know that the informed soccer press are widely castigating Cortese for his absolute lack of understanding of football and how it works, he is not in the network and has never been in football before so it is unlikely in the extreme that he'll know waht it takes to make a good football manager and ev less how then to develop him to get the best from him. If it was otherwise, Alan Pardew would still be here and I wouldn't be depressed with migraine! Just a footnote to those well wishers who think I'm forsaking Saints to watch the gooners... I am not! After this summer's fiasco and the total lack of competitiveness in the PL and increasingly the other leagues, I'm done with "pro-soccer" and will be watching Esatleigh.

So I am one of the 7.93% who thinks this is a disaster for Saints and typically another deal done on the cheap. I'll stick to my prediction that this is a sticking plaster job so that Cortese can tie up all the loos ends before he clears off in January with the club up for sale thereafter. I don't give a monkey's that most of you think I'm a grumpy bastard who is hard to please, this is the worse possible outcome of all the far more exciting options that supposedly were open to us - what happened to the other 49? - in any case I'm not mug enough to keep paying scarce dosh to support this regime any more. I've already posted my request for a refund on my ST for what' s left of this season. I'm out of here and good luck to all of you guys who have been suckered into believing the club bull**** that this was the "best possible appointment". Oh! come on the blokes only been in management for 5 minutes so it is bound to end in tears but then neither Cortese or I will be around to give a ****. Sad day but everything comes to an end... Adieu!

He'll soon be off, gone by February I wouldn't mind betting. We are in the sh*te with nobody on hand to rescue us this time. Long time since I felt so cheated.

Relegation Looms! Unthikable? Think again.

You said it. They whacked us 3-0 at home so could be a drubbing up there.

A somewhat elegant turn of phrase. You seem to have been excelling yourself on this thread. It is hard to determine your problem with other people but boy you do have some issues. Most readers will still be looking up 'pikey' on Wiki, it's certainly not a word that one has encountered amongst the polite society of the Itchen. It emphasises the wide diversity of people who label themselves as Saints fans. Remember the mantra "Live and let live!"