Matthew Le God

Not if the independent commission doesn't consider starting a 'media war' a good thing; if anything, it isn't acting in good faith! The sensible approach is to stay quiet in public and let the process sort itself out behind the scenes.

But if that is what happened it wouldn't be club wide conspiracy, so punishment would have to be proportional to it.

We had a 27 year spell in the top flight between 1978 and 2005. It would be very strange if we did similar again and got a points deduction in 2053 for something that happened in 2026!

What do you have against their players that warrants such a ridiculous wish?

When you say "they", do you mean one person?

Like a Monty Python sketch... Things would be very different if Will Salt watched this video before his trip...

Eyewitness testimonial isn't reliable minutes after an event. Let alone recalling things from weeks or months earlier and remembering faces. As this video shows... Would you recognise someone you saw 2 months ago who was stood outside your workplace?

Witness statements - They didn't report them at the time. ID lineups aren't overly reliable within hours of an incident, let alone weeks or months later! Phone records/bank statements- How would other clubs have those regarding Saints staff? If you mean the EFL, this isn't a police investigation, there is no obligation for those to be produced.

CB Fry did Plus what other evidence would there be apart from CCTV?

Whatever? You said I did, but I didn't. Cherry picking what?

How long do you think CCTV footage is kept for?

I didn't mention Southampton Common.

Then becomes his word vs the club. Why should they favour his word unless he had stronger evidence than his statement?

Middlesbrough weren't treating it as sensitive info until after the spying event. If they had they would block views. I could have gone to the hotel, made notes of the training and then DM'd them to one of the many Saints staff who follow me on X. I'm not governed by EFL rules. So complaints by Kim Hellberg it was highly sensitive and secretive are flawed.

Middlesbrough weren't treating it as sensitive info until after the spying event. If they had they would block views. I could have gone to the hotel, made notes of the training and then DM'd them to one of the many Saints staff who follow me on X. I'm not governed by EFL rules. So complaints by Kim Hellberg it was highly sensitive and secretive are flawed.

My point was regarding claims by the Middlesbrough manager it was highly sensitive information on show. It cant be that sensitive if the view of it isnt blocked. Do you have frosted windows on your bathroom? I haven't disputed a rule has been broken and warrants punishment. That is what you have both missed with your strawman fallacy depiction of my post.

Try reading my point as a whole, not taking one bit out of context.

You keep taking parts of what I said out of context. You aren't taking it as a whole. What did I say that is incorrect?

Nonsense. I said repeatedly it would still be spying and still warrant punishment. My point was regarding things like the Middlesbrough manager claiming it was highly secretive information that could impact a match. If they viewed it as such they would prevent the public from seeing it. But they don't. Your analogy doesn't work at all.

Exactly!

What about it is incorrect? I haven't said it wouldn't be spying or warrant punishment.

It isn't irrelevant. Clubs would still be guilty of spying and warrant punishment for that. But it is relevant to the servity of the offence. Clubs that make no effort to enclose their training ground from public view can't then justify that the training sessions were highly secretive (like Middlesbrough's manager has) as any member of the public could view them and then publish them online (even if just in written notes rather than videos) for the world to see.

It isn't irrelevant. Clubs would still be guilty of spying and warrant punishment for that. But it is relevant to the servity of the offence. Clubs that make no effort to enclose their training ground from public view can't then justify that the training sessions were highly secretive as any member of the public could view them and then publish them online (even if just in written notes rather than videos) for the world to see.

Stuck in the middle with you!

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