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If it's Virgin Media could the deal include our own channel?

Since 1958, when regionalistion of the old 3rd division ended Saints have NEVER been in the lowest division of the Football League . (some teams are still there now )

My thoughts exactly as soon as i saw it. There seems a genuine warmth there. could have been a picture of a mum* and her 3 sons, really sums up the "family club" spirit. *Even though Katerina is possibly the youngest of all of them, I have no idea of her age or even if she's married. She has managed to keep her private life just that.

Not bothered reading the linked article but MotD running order generally always appears to me (without any scientific data to back it up), 1st - match involving highest placed team playing that day based on that mornings table, 2nd -match involving next highest placed team, 3rd - match involving next highest placed team and so on, with the odd late change for exceptional matches such as our 8-0 against Sunderland or the relegation of last place for a boring 0-0 or 1-0 with few incidents (ManUre seemed to be well down the order on several occasions this season). Never once have I considered they show any anti_saints (or anti-anyone come to that) bias.

Keep it simple "Ryan Bertrand" is the same number of syllables as "Champione". See if anyone can come up with something based on that

And launched in .... London. Says a lot about their target market

He isn't and he might do. The OP is talking about having adequate top class cove, not a replacement.

He doesn't anymore. Works for SkySports now.

At the end of the day the answer to those two questions is irrelevant (and not one you're ever going to reach agreement on as there's no definitive way of measuring it). The point many are making is could ours be better. Doesn't really matter how good or bad anyone else's is. Back in the pre-relegation era I used to have ST in the Chapel. Standing joke then was the same as it is now, that the Chapel never made a sound. Anyone at that end at the time knew that was rubbish. There was probably just as many singers in the Chapel as there was in the Northam. Difference was those in the Northam were all squeezed into 3 blocks, those in the Chapel were spread around 8 blocks. The gaps made it much harder for songs to spread. The larger the concentration of singers in one place the louder it's going to be (stating the bleeding obvious there) . ATM if the Northam starts a song it can only spread one way, around the corner into the Kingsland. If singing started in the Chapel it can then spread around both sides of the ground. Simple logic says that's where the "home end" should be but with so many ST holders at both ends I don't know how changing it could be achieved. Genuine question, you mention you've been to many grounds, how many of them have the main singing section (not just a few lads gobbing off ) along side the away fans? And in any that are , does it have any effect on shutting up our away fans?

I've admitted I rarely go to games these days so I'm judging grounds as to how they come across on live tv, and comparing them with how SMS comes across on live tv (and tv often actually sounds better than when I'm actually there, I sit in block2 when I do go) But it also seems many on here are relating "atmosphere" to "how many songs are sung". For me a rendition of "shoot the pompey scum" when the team's backs are against the wall does nothing to help them. For me atmosphere is all about intimidating the opposition team, making sure the ref knows he's wrong for every 50-50 decision that goes against us, and roaring our team on with encouragement as we break forward / take a corner / make yet another defensive clearance as we hang on for 3 points. I get some people not wanting to sing but the kind of atmosphere I'm talking about should be coming for all areas of the ground. That's where - apart from the odd out of the blue performance like the Liverpool game - we seem to be lacking compared with many other grounds IMO.

No, I rarely even go to home games nowadays let alone away games due to a combination of work commitments, cost and general lack of enjoyment due to the lack of atmosphere nowadays. But I watch 1 or 2 live tv games every week and unless by some weird quirk of fate the tv microphones are deliberately muted around the home sections of SMS (and for some even weirder reason turned up a few notches in front of the away section) but not at any other ground in the country then I'd stand by my list. Claiming any ground is silent is simple nonsense. But for every team that you claim only sung about twice when you were there I'd hazard a bet you'd find some of their fans go home saying exactly the same after a trip to SMS .

BIB Leicester Spurs West Ham Liverpool Stoke Everton Bournemouth Swansea Palace Norwich Sunderland At home, on the basis of creating an atmosphere that gets behind the team, our support is ****ing ****. If you read that last bit in italics as constructive criticism there is still hope. If you automatically sung it in your head to the tune of Cwm Rhondda then you're part of the problem.

I'd offer him a 5 year deal NOW with a get out clause that if either of 2 jobs of his choosing to be named now (I'd also assume the Holland or Barcelona jobs but maybe he has other ideas) become available in that time he can apply with our blessing. Anything else he's ours.

Sunderland - if I was asked in a quiz which fans sung that song I'd answer Sunderland straight away, they've been singing that for ages. Spurs OWTSGMI - "they've only ever sung it "slow, remaining slow" - Really? Thought the speeded up ending was their standard version, certainly is . I'd agree without you it's so much better when it never speeds up though, but would grudgingly admit they do it far better. Re "atmosphere" that's not just singing though. Singing is a big part of it but it's also that roar of encouragement when your team crosses the half way line and/or makes a last ditch tackle. It's the whole stadium out of their seats angrily shouting their disapproval when a decision goes against us. It's making opposition players realise they are not welcome here (to put it politely) every time they come anywhere near any section of the crowd to take a corner or throw-in. That all goes towards giving the ground that intimidating fortress reputation, sadly lacking nowadays. As for "giving it large to the away fans" how does that add to "atmosphere"? Out singing them en-masse to shut them up definitely, but that would be better done from the opposite end facing them (so they actually hear it) than from stood alongside them facing the same way. But individuals just "giving it large" (from across a segregated area and protected by stewards and/or police)does nothing to encourage the team, that's just being a knob

Swap Steve Davis for Nick Holmes in midfield (NH at full back in the OP but he could play pretty much anywhere you asked him to) and you've got a CL qualifying team there. Oh how we could do with a Jimmy Case in the side today, don't think we've had one since .... well since Jimmy Case.

How about a mix of Ryan Giggs for dribbling , David Beckham for crossing accuracy, and Diego Costa for attitude.

1) VvD 2) Bertrand 3) Long

Nobody came out of that game with any honours but it looked like we were playing with 10 men. I can't recall a single constructive contribution from Mane in the whole 90 minutes. He has pace, but if he can't use it in the right areas, control a ball, pass it to one of his one team or shoot on target then that pace is pretty irrelevant.

Start throwing tables and chairs around (or worse) in a pub in town on a Friday night you'll find yourself refused entry to that and every other pub in Southampton in the future. Might not be a legal banning order issued by a court but it would have the same effect.

Just bite the bullet and ask for somewhere to watch the Chelsea game, they'll probably come up with plenty of options.

BIB Only at their discretion and in certain circumstances. When you say your mate made hundreds has he simply seen the value of his holding increase or has he actually received back cash more than he put in? They're not the same thing. Sounds a fun game but not something I'd want to be risking real money in. But good luck with it, I'd be happy for you if you prove me wrong.

After taking a quick look at the site: 1) It's NOT a pyramid scheme as some above are suggesting, nothing like one. 2) You're explanation above about trending in the media is how players win the Daily Buzz, for which the daily winner receives a 20p "dividend". It has no effect on the players price which is solely based on supp;ly and demand for tat player. 3) It uses EBay as an example to clearly explain that when you want to sell a player you have to wait till another player wants to buy him (as in an EBay sale, simply listing him for sale gets you nothing till a buyer comes along) . You can't simply decide to "cash out" and guarantee getting funds at any given moment. So in true Dragons Den stylee " ... so for that reason , I'm out"

To be fair how many of us would jump at the chance to take in a Barcelona/Madrid game whilst in Spain or Dortmund/Bayern if in Germany. The half and half scarfs are just wrong though.

Don't get me wrong, I quite agree with that. What I meant was the people that make these decisions probably only ever attend games in the best best seats and/or executive boxes and probably as neutrals. I'm betting they are aware of the atmosphere as background noise but have no perception of who is creating it or how. They've probably witnessed La Liga and Seria A games with 99% home support and think it could be replicated here. You're right, it wouldn't work here (maybe Palace and Middlesbrough would give it a go), the crowd culture is still significantly different here (if not as much as it used to be)

The powers that be have probably been watching games from La Liga where away fans are minimal if not non existent in most matches, yet don't seem to have any worse an atmosphere than most PL games.