scally

The record high in Antarctica in February was all over the news, Greenland is a very sensitive area for climate change yet no report of record low at a time when the arctic is supposed to be warming

Funny that they do report record highs though, this was all over the news like a rash https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/02/antarctic-peninsula-setting-heat-records-wont-stand-long/

I can't remember seeing this anywhere in the news either, doesn't fit does it https://electroverse.net/greenland-just-set-a-new-all-time-record-low-temperature/

How about this then Sheaf, I know it's difficult but try playing the ball and not the man for a change

I'm 55 mate and I can tell you this film shows exactly what we were being told back in the day, you can't move the goalposts just because they don't suit. How do you know we won't be going into another ice age in the near future, what proof have you got to back u what you say? I'd love to know how you think we are going live with out fossil fuels, wind [take a drive through the Sierra Nevada's and you'll see how wind turbines destroy the look of the landscape] and solar panels just won't cut it, what do you suggest?

The science was settled back in 77 I guess

Here's a video about your old mate Michael Mann Sheaf

No but it also doesn't mean it's incorrect

Jeez Sheaf I don't care who that guy is, that graph is all over the net and doesn't show CO2 and temperature in the atmosphere being anywhere near in sinc. How about this https://climatism.blog/2020/03/07/46-statements-by-ipcc-experts-against-the-ipcc/ The IPCC is totally corrupt and continues to manipulate stats

It would be interesting to see if anybody on here can explain the levels of Co2 compared to temperature, seems there is no correlation between temperature and Co2 or none that explains recent warming https://medium.com/@gary_bernstein/heat-fell-from-1930s-peak-co2-is-greening-earth-marine-life-began-in-10x-higher-co2-and-climate-d10d3c6c6d06

I'm not sure where I said Einstein wrote the law of thermodynamics and as for the spelling mistake, get a life. Sorry but I thought science worked by some one putting a theory forward that could be challenged in the future if new evidence was discovered, so the Connolly's could be right in their theory that the atmosphere is in dynamic equilibrium. This debate has run it's course, it's just a your scientist vs my scientist argument, and your scientists is right and mines just a nut job because his views don't suit your narrative. The only way to settle this is to come back in 10 years and see if the climate alarmists have got it totally wrong again.

What they are talking about is the atmosphere being in thermal dynamic equlibriam, if they are right about this then according to one of Einstiene's theories Co2 could not cause warming.

If you are going to refer to the Milankovitch cycles then really you ought to make sure to mention all three of them and give them their proper name, otherwise it kind of looks like you don’t really know what you are talking about. Get over yourself it's a football forum not the Cambridge Scientific Debating Society Their whole contention is that the sun influences global temperatures, therefore it’s not possible for CO2 to (effectively denying that the greenhouse effect even exists!) That's not even close to what they said I don’t mean to be rude to you Scally, but you do not come across as somebody who is open-minded and likes to do his own independent research I'm not open minded You're the one who continued to try to defend Michael Mann even after I pointed out that all he had to do to end the court case was show the data and how he used that data to make the graph.

I've got that book on my Kindle although I've not read it yet, he explains emotive issues like nobody else I've ever listened to, one of the big tv stations should give him his program

Manipulation of data is the whole problem with the hysteria about climate change and why I believe scientists that do not believe that man made climate change is any where near as bad as we are told should have their say. For instance between the 1940's and 1970's Co2 in the atmosphere went up yet global temperatures went down, you can't have it both ways

If you know about google and SEO you'll understand thst the days of doung a bit of keyword research, throwing up a website, stuffing it with keywords and getting it ranked in Google are far gone. Google's algorithms are far more complex than they were back in the day, websites that get ranked high on a search list are authoritative sites that are trusted by Google and have been around for a while. Those sites that show in the Google search about that court case are not in any way scam sites.

The theory behind climate change since the world has been here is about the sun's activity, the earth orbit around the sun and the axis the earth rotates in changing. We are still in real terms in an ice age but for large parts of earth history there were no polar ice caps. Our climate changes and will do it again despite anything we do. The biggest green house gas in the atmosphere by far is water vapour, this has a far greater effect than C02 ever will. Do some research on the work Ronon and Michael Connolly have done, if what they are saying is correct then C02 cannot have any effect on climate change.

And? Unless you can show me that he lost the libel case against Mann and Mann showed up in court with all the stats and proved his hockey stick graph I don't really care what sort of person he is. Mann's graph was used by Al Gore when it kicked off about this man made climate crap. If Mann's graph is wrong and he cannot show the stats to back his graph up then it should bring a lot of what has followed since into question. Debate is healthy and my problem with this is that so many scientists who believe this is not the disaster were 're being told it is are not listened to. Man made climate change is going to generate billions for big business and cost all of us money, let's see both sides of the argument so we can all make a judgement with more of the facts

So Mann had a libel case that went on for eight years, he could have shown his stats and how he created the hockey stick graph on the first day and it would have been game set and match.....but he thought it was better to just drag it out for eight years, you've got to hand it to him he's a cĺever bloke. If you've not spent two minutes, gone on Google and seen that pretty much every search result shows that Mann lost and was ordered to pay costs then you're not worth debating with.

For every one you come up with I can come up with 10 saying exactly the opposite. GWPF not quite an unbiased organisation is it. Just do a simple google search, Mann had to pay costs. https://www.manhattancontrarian.com/blog/2019-8-26-michael-mann-hockey-stick-update-now-definitively-proven-to-be-fraud Read that and many more, you link to Mann's Twitter page and a webpage of an organisation that peddles this bull****

I can't believe you linked to Mann's Twitter page to support the fact you think what was said on my link was wrong, go on Google and do a quick search on the case, Mann had to pay court costs and continually delayed producing the data to support how he came up with his hockey stick graph. The guys a fraud and has been called out over and over again. Take a look at this https://victorygirlsblog.com/michael-mann-whines-about-losing-climate-hockey-stick-libel-case/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ94yX0BC2g Watch this and then do some research into the Connolly's, they ramble a bit and talk over each other but they also talk a lot of sense. Also have a look at this Michael Mann was one of the people who started all this and has now been called out https://www.thegwpf.com/media-ignores-michael-manns-court-loss-it-doesnt-fit-the-warmist-agenda/ You'll not read about this any where yet his graph was used time and time again to say climate change was getting out of control

No because I do my own research and listen to scientists who totally debunk a lot of this fake news, take a look for yourself there are plenty out there

With what we are told by the mainstream media that's not surprising.