Johnny Bognor

I think most people recognise that this is the most useless tory government in history, at a time when we really do need strong and stable leadership. Looking across mp's from all parties... is this really the best we can come up with out of a nation of over 60m+ people???

Are they not inextricably linked? I mean, for it to work effectively

Indeed and highlights the fact that 'remain' is not a zero risk option as many remainers seem to intimate You could argue that it is easier to come out now than it will be in 5, 10 or 20 years time or when it eventually collapses

The architect of the Euro believes it will collapse eventually... http://uk.businessinsider.com/otmar-issing-analysis-on-future-of-euro-ecb-house-of-cards-will-collapse-2016-10 The concept of the euro only really works with political union, which will never happen ... and there is no guarantee that the EU won't collapse at some point, hence the risk to remaining.

Yes, freedom of movement pre-dates the EU and until we know what arrangement we get, we don't know whether or not this will be the case. But even in the worst possible case scenario, there are plenty of non EU citizens that come to the EU to live and work. So it's not going to stop absolutely (Yes there maybe conditions attached and quotas). But I still think that this is a red herring and I call bull**** as most of the people banging on about the right will never go and live and work abroad. They've had twenty odd years to do it and they're still here FFS.

Errr it is easy though. I part grew up in madrid and part in paris. Lived in paris for 5 years. It wasnt a problem before the EU. I went to the british school of paris in the early 80s, funnily enough, attended by the children of hundreds of families living and working in France. I freely travelled throughout Europe when i was younger.. it was hardly more of an effort then than it is now. I think remainers are over playing this card

You really can't think of any yourself? Not even two??? OK, here are a couple for you to ponder. When it comes to food, we can return to world markets to buy cheap food in particular, outside the Common Agricultural Policy. We can take advantage of more efficient producers of cereals, butter, meat and all the rest, and take advantage of surpluses from across the planet (Much the same goes for everything else we import). With the cheaper grocery bills, it would help poorer people. More expensive food was one of worst consequences of joining the EEC in 1973. As it is, our food prices are kept artificially high by EU tariffs designed to keep French farmers in clover. If we look at fishing, some of the most deprived and once prosperous parts of the country, now have of returning fishing grounds, fleets and the jobs that went with them. Grimsby, Fleetwood, Cornwall: these are the places that may well be much better off in a few years. It was always morally wrong to sacrifice coastal communities for the sake of the EU. I could go on, but I will be here all day.... but please don't anyone for a minute pretend that there are no upsides whatsoever...

Whilst there are obvious risks to Brexit, there are some obvious upsides and many Remainers (particularly on here) refuse to even recognise any of them. I recognise the merits of remaining and I personally balanced these to come to my conclusion. As it happens, I was in favour of Remain at the beginning of the referendum process, but changed my my mind during the campaign. I still recognise those merits, that doesn't change. But I also know that remaining doesn't come without risk... a point that seems lost on most remainers. They see it as the perfectly safe option, which of course it isn't. Now I'm not saying you do this, but some on here see Brexit as ALL bad and won't even accept ANY of the upsides. People banging on about the currency devaluation were very quiet on here a few years ago when the £:€ were at similar levels to now. But now, it is a major problem??? Methinks some Remainers won't blame it on the sunshine, they won't blame it on the moonlight, they'll just blame it on the Brexit. Which means the Boogie gets off lightly

The assumption that everything would have been OK by remaining is naive to say the least. Remainers talk as if there is NO risk to remaining. There is risk attached to staying in. Granted in the short term, the risks associated with leaving are greater, but I for one do not wish for the UK to fail unlike some. Had we stayed in, I would still want the UK to prosper.

I actually think they WANT britain to fail. I want Britain to succeed in or out. Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

The Typhoon is facing stiff competition, funnily enough from the F-35 (hey we're even buying some). Politically selling to the middle east is not en vogue anymore. The fact that the £ is weaker, protects the remaining BAE workers, in that the Typhoon is more competitive, in what is a highly competitive market.

What a load of horse ****. The redundancies are down to a fall in orders. Funnily enough, 15% of the F35 is built here by Lockheed Martin, whose orders are booming. Maybe they could move across. As it happens, you could easily argue that due to the fall in the £, the remaining BAE workers were saved by a weaker £.

Whilst CAP payments for the UK are approximately £4bn, the French get £10bn. According to the EU, there are more than 30 ways to calculate net contribution. Like an old wise man said to me.... where there's mystery, there's margin

They wont be exiting the euro anytime soon, or the EU for that matter. Not unless either collapses

Yes but to suggest no future is a serious case of bedwetting. Did those countries who did not join the Euro give up on their future? Or maybe they on the whole faired better? There is no doubt that the short term will be a bumpy ride. But things will even out in the medium to long term.

Interesting thought. You make it sound like they have a choice [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

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Who cares?? There's no future according to some. Leaving the EU has cost us that. We're doomed. I'm cashing in my pension, cashing my investments and selling my business. I intend to spunk it on women, alcohol and partying before 31/03/2019.

What? We're not going to have a future now???? No one said this during the referendum campaign!!! What about the other countries outside the EU? Do they have no future too? Is this why they are queuing up to join the EU? Is having a future the main benefit of EU membership? Just curious

Hahahaha. You're his Saintsweb cheer-leader-in-chief FFS!!! “Violence can never be the answer!” Charles Michel said on Twitter. I'm sure Spanish internal affairs are not Belgian policy. His Slovenian counterpart, Miro Cerar, also expressed his concern, saying he was “concerned” and calling for “political dialogue, rule of law and peaceful solutions”. Again, I don't see anything in the Slovenian constitution that gives him the right to comment. Even your boyfriend Guy Verhofstadt, also said that while he did “not want to interfere” in Spain’s domestic affairs, “I absolutely condemn what happened today in Catalonia”. It was “high time for de-escalation,” he said. According you you and J.O.B. Shiete, he should have kept his mouth shut. So whilst there might not be "official" condemnation and that it might not be policy, others found it right to speak out. It would have been interesting to hear senior representatives of the EU, maybe Junckers for instance, or was he too busy covering his arse on the corporate tax-dodging scandal he's involved with?? (Still waiting for the *****'s resignation). Also, this could have big ramifications for the EU. If the Catalans declare independence, as they have said it is their intention to do, then when the Spanish send the tanks in, will this still be none of the EU's business?

Hahahaha. LOL at Shurlock relying on J.O.B.Shiete to fight his battles. The leftie's massdebater-in-chief speaks... and you blindly follow... Read this and weep, me ol pedigree chum... http://www.elnacional.cat/en/news/european-parliament-police-repression-catalonia_198528_102.html Finally and rightly so, but took their ****ing time. Right, I'm off to film a series of videos surrounding the new GDPR (I will come back to how incompetent the EU are with regards to this legislation later, when I have more time). Sweet dreams xxx

Well, as he can't be voted out, I'll await his resignation in the next few days... any tax dodging remainers want to comment?

Oh dear. Luxembourg gave Amazon an unfair tax dodging deal... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41497459 This was on Juncker's watch as he was the Prime Minister of Luxembourg at the time.... during that period he also acted as finance and treasury minister, taking a close interest in tax policy. #snoutsinthetrough???

Can you imagine if the UK referendum was 61.5% in favour of remain and the government invoked Article 50 anyway. Just think about that for a minute...

It reminds me of the joke when a guy walks into a store to buy some Kinder Eggs. Shop Assistant: "Sorry we're not allowed to sell them, as they are too dangerous". Shopper: "OK then, I'll just take a couple of assault rifles instead"