Johnny Bognor

Ah, but that's not part and parcel of living in a big city, you should know that

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No. I have said earlier that public office attracts deviants across all parties. But the holier than thou attitude of many a leftie opens them up to accusations of hypocrisy Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

It's just part and parcel of living in a big city. Nothing to see here. Move along...

Or maybe i should stop looking for Labour hypocrisy... you never know what might turn up Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

Just Googled "Labour MP Paedophile". It was the first result. After not much digging you find that Harriet Harman's name was carried at the bottom of a briefing that argued that a pornographic picture of a naked child should not be considered indecent unless it could be proven that the subject had suffered. The Labour party used to represent the working man. I knew it was an "inclusive" party, but never thought that meant that kiddy fiddlers were welcome too. FWIW, I think like men of the cloth, politics attracts sexual deviants, whatever the colour of their party. That doesn't make it right, of course, and it should be condemned whether it is blue, red or yellow. But to accuse another colour, when your own colour is tainted is a bit rich. Just look at the expenses scandal. MP's from all parties had their snouts in the trough

So all the lefties are going bonkers over some sexual innuendos whilst their own are abusing children... https://labour25.com/ Don't you just love the politics of hypocrisy (I preferred the good old days when lefties were for the party of envy)

Here is another one of those uneducated, mentally ill, easily-led former accountants turning to terrorism.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-41763408

From your article: So what is the value of the UK’s investment in the EIB? According to the institution’s 2015 financial statements, the EIB’s reserves consist of paid-up capital from the member states of €21.7bn, plus a further €41.6bn of accumulated profits. That comes to a total of €63.3bn. . The article seems to support my £56bn figure.... as €63.3 @ 1.12 €:£ = £56bn (OK this is made up of capital and accumulated profit, but we still own a share of that).

Assets not purchased by us, but paid for by us, such as... - the £36 billion worth of property and cash??? - or maybe the £56 billion of capital held by the European Investment bank??? - or maybe the 42,500 bottles of premium plonk, valued at around £15 million??? This list is not exhaustive, but there's enough above for you to take your pick

The problem is the lack of negotiation from the EU. Generally for a negotiation to be a negotiation, there has to be movement on both sides. The EU have stated their position. May has made an offer. The EU obviously reject that but dont come back with a counter proposal. The EU hold their line and state the UK have not made sufficient progress. How about they make some 'progress'?? I see the EU not budging from their position and the UK having to meet their demands. Its no different to an emotionally manipulate wife that always gets what she wants, whilst allowing the husband to think he has a bit of negotiating power, when he clearly doesnt. Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

Socialist snouts in the trough... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41688280

Note "the world wants to buy", not just the EU. I was a Remainer at the beginning of the debate. Ideally we would stay in the single market, but that's not going to happen as we can't have our cake and eat it. But as I have said before, there is a risk to staying in the EU.

“Trade deal” is a very loosely applied, covering a whole array of different agreements. Hence I am with you on the “quality” aspect, as opposed to your mate bucktootim, who is creaming himself over the prospect of a customs union with an RAF airbase. I’m not one that sees future prosperity linked to trade deals, which is why the effects of leaving the single market are overstated. We are a net importer with the EU and the only way to reverse that is to provide more products and services that they want to buy. If you make products and services that people want to buy, you will sell them. Whether that’s Microsoft windows on every PC, Apple iPhones in the pockets of most millennials or Dyson hoovers in every household. These products/services are sold all over the world, create immense wealth for the countries from which they come. No trade deals needed. Our future prosperity will be linked to our ability as a nation to design, invent or create. Simple really. FTA’s maybe a bit of grease that oils the wheels of commerce, but that it is, it’s just grease when our “engine” is what needs attention. I will still maintain though, that the advantage gained by being part of a big block, is outweighed by the fact that only 1 member out of 28 can veto a deal. This in itself can make a deal harder to get. I take Buctootims point that the EU have managed better deals than the US or China, but we’re starting from a low base. I agree with this. Switzerland won’t be able to sit down for a raw arse, by the time they can sell anything into China They are still underwhelming, but actually the discussion as to whether this nation prospers or not should focus on how we are going to continue or improve on making products and services that the world wants to buy. FTA's will not guarantee future prosperity on their own.

Errr we can debate the merits of the chile agreement, but it doesnt defllect from the fact that external deals are majorly underwhelming Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

External??? (Ie not including member states) Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

Well they managed to negotiate a deal with the EU, which is a feat in itself. Now, your turn. Can you or Buctootim tell me which external trade agreements you are particularly proud of?? Maybe we could start with an economy in the world's top 10 in terms of GDP?? I'll even give you top 20??

I know that. I found that out when I googled where they are. Great deal though, don't you think???? Even Teresa May should be able to negotiate a deal with these guys LOL At the end of the day, you surely can't be that impressed with the EU's external trade deals because they are pretty cr@p, lets be honest

So shurlock is all about quality over quantity, whilst you are clearly quantity over quality. Chile has trade deals with countries that have FIVE times the GDP of all of the EU trade deals. Love it how remainers have to include member states to beef up the negotiating prowess of the EU ROFL

Hey Shurlock, you're wasting your time on here. Don't you know we have a trade deal with Akrotiri??? It's an island near Greece with a population of 7,700. They might be up for a bit of consultancy LOLOLOL (It is clear that I am talking about external trade deals and their "success" on these is a bit ****e).

Hey, if a customs union with the Faroe Islands floats your boat, crack on. Remainers scoff at the UK's chances of negotiating trade deals, but when you look at the EU's performance (we're not in China or the US, by the way), bar a handful of countries (Canada, S Korea), most of them (or at least the one's we've heard of) have GDP that's equivalent to the Isle of Wight FFS. Negotiating trade deals is incredibly difficult and when you have effectively 29 countries at the table (The EU's 28+1), the more difficult it gets. A bilateral deal is far easier to put together. Chile has deals covering countries with collective GDP five times the EU’s deals!! Even Iceland (population less than Croydon) has a trade agreement with China – as does Switzerland. So I'm afraid I am still underwhelmed... and waiting to be impressed.

Errr, that's kind of obvious. But as a block, negotiating deals with places that some people have never heard of is hardly inspiring. Bearing in mind that in many cases, tariffs are still in place. I get that the size of the EU gives negotiating power, however getting 28 countries to agree pretty much negates this power and partially explains why Remainers (and leavers) need to look up some of the countries on a map. Anyway, I'm off to see if we can export services to Akrotiri and Dhekelia, because these ones are new to me ROFL

I was only counting those in full force, of which there are 32 (most of which include places some people have never heard of). Of these, customs unions with countries like Andorra or San Marino are not getting me that excited. Sorry. If you want to include those that are provisional, partial or agreed but not signed, then go you. They're all here... http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/negotiations-and-agreements/#_in-place Sadly, I am still underwhelmed

Quality is just as important as quality me ol pedigree chum (that's why I wouldn't go supermarket own brand dog food)!! We have currently quality agreements with... Akrotiri and Dhekelia, Andorra, Faroe Islands, Guernsey, Isle of Man, Kosovo, Lebanon, Lichtenstein, Monaco, Montenegro, Palestine, Serbia Impressive work, don't you think???? The champagne corks must have been popping in the Shurlock household when the EU finally managed to secure a deal with Akrotiri LOL (I had to look up where the **** that was) The only sizable countries are Chile, Egypt, Iceland, Jordan, Mexico, Norway, South Africa, South Korea, Switzerland, Turkey and Ukraine. Having deals with these economic powerhouses, I can see why the remainers don't want to go. So can we stop talking about EU trade deals now, because quite frankly they are hardly setting the world alight..

The challenge is getting 28 member states to agree to anything. That is why the EU are generally ****e at trade deals. They have only one deal with a world top 10 economy. Utterly pathetic!! Lets look at GDPR. The legislation was passed in May 2016. There's a two year period for businesses to comply. Most businesses are paralysed waiting for the ICO to issue guidance on key areas. The problem is that the ICO can't issue guidance because they have to agree with their 27 equivalents how the law will be enforced... guss what. They can't agree. The clock is ticking and there is 8 months left. A complete shambles and typical of how the EU works... Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk