Johnny Bognor

Whatever who loaned who what, the EU have been doing special favours for the automotive industry for years.... not a peep from the remainers. Now the UK government are at it and now it's a problem? ??? Go figure... Bugger me. .. remainers can teach lefties a few things about hypocrisy One of the key facets of the EU is to protect certain industries. If you have a problem with the uK doing that, then surely you have a problem with the EU????

Looking at the defensive stats for this season (per game)... Romeu Tackles = 3 Interceptions = 2.8 Clearances = 1 Dribbles = 2.1 Blocks = 0.6 Wanyama Tackles = 2.9 Interceptions = 1.1 Clearances = 4 Dribbles = 1.5 Blocks = 0.5 ... Romeu comes out on top for 4 of the 5 key defensive stats...

It may be a shock to you, but the EU has HEAVILY subsidised automotive manufacturing. Germany introduced a €5 billion cash for clunkers scheme. The French have heavily subsidised green and electric vehicles. In fact, investment aids, export credits, direct cash injections have been going on since the 1980's. The EU auto industry remains the recipient of considerable direct and indirect subsidies as a consequence of complex national and EU policies. Democratic accountability??? NOPE Cause for concern??? NOPE And you pipe up now???? Sounds like sour grapes to me... ... and while we're at it, the CAP is a form of supporting agriculture. Support that other industries don't get. Yes, tax payers money being used to pay farmers and fishermen to sit on their arses. Yet remoaners don't have a problem with that. Unbelievable.

Clutching at straws... How do you know that assurances weren't along the lines of not levying tariffs on imports of automotive components?? Or placing funds raised by import duties on French and German cars into subsidies for UK manufacturers?? All we know is that GDP is growing and more cars will be made here. The rest is just conjecture. ..

What is it with the lefties on here .... you've been berating the tories for years for not supporting manufacturing and when they do, you have a problem with it. I give up, I really do.

In what has been a good news day (GDP above expectations, new cars to be produced in Sunderland), the BBC can confirm that there will be no tariffs placed on presents flown in from the North Pole at Christmas, despite the EU not being able to negotiate a Free Trade deal with the non existent trading block. According to the head Elf, Santa will use his magic powers to overcome the punitive and restrictive tax on children, by bypassing customs and dropping presents down the chimney. PS: I might have just made this up, but it is in keeping with the spirit of this thread

Now you're making stuff up ... LOLs A senior executive at Nissan Europe, Colin Lawther, said the company had received "no special deal". "It's just a commitment from the government to work with the whole of the automotive industry to make sure the whole automotive industry in the UK remains competitive," he told the BBC. "We would expect nothing for us that the rest of the industry wouldn't be able to have access to. We see this as a whole industry thing, not a Nissan thing."

Remoaners making things up? Nah, I can say a lot about them, but I'm not having that.

Maybe fund it out of the tariff on imported cars from France and Germany???? Still no comment from the remoaners on the better than expected GDP figures...

Meanwhile, in the first major announcement by the automotive industry since Brexit, Nissan have announced the decision to build more new models in Sunderland.... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37787890

UK GDP smashes economists forecasts... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-37730361 Hands up, which remoaners were hoping for a contraction??

Les Reed's on fire... Your boardrooms terrified

With 65% of their exports going to the UK, we can slap a nice little 10% tariff on Irn Bru. That would probably be enough to put Jimmy Crankie back in her box...

Alex Salmonds financial case for independence was less realistic than Scotland winning the 2018 world cup... and that was before oil prices plummeted. AS predicted nearly £8bn in oil revenues for 2017/18. The latest estimates are saying they'll be less than £1bn. Considering their current deficit is twice that of the UK, they'll be going to the IMF with their begging bowl before they get a chance to speak to the EU.

I'm not saying it automatically makes things better, but it's not all bad (a position adopted by most remainers) Exports of financial services to the EU are around £22billion. Even if we lost 100% of exports to the EU, which we wont, i cannot for the life of me see how the exchequer could lose £65 billion. As it happens, the ENTIRE tax take from financial services is £65 billion (http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN06193/SN06193.pdf). To lose it ALL means that the ENTIRE industry would be completely wiped out. I would start stashing cash under the bed if I were you!! Either that or its a pretty sh*t estimate LOL I'm not saying a Nissan is more attractive but price plays a part. The cars made here will have the benefit of a massive price differential and therefore will be more attractive to buyers than they were, relatively speaking. A 20% price hike due to the £ coupled with a 10% import tax, adds 30% to a german car that is probably already considerably more expensive.

I'm not saying it automatically makes things better, but it's not all bad (a position adopted by most remainers) Exports of financial services to the EU are around £22billion. Even if we lost 100% of exports to the EU, which we wont, i cannot for the life of me see how the exchequer could lose £65 billion. As it happens, the ENTIRE tax take from financial services is £65 billion (http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN06193/SN06193.pdf). To lose it ALL means that the ENTIRE industry would be completely wiped out. I would start stashing cash under the bed if I were you!! Either that or its a pretty sh*t estimate LOL I'm not saying a Nissan is more attractive but price plays a part. The cars made here will have the benefit of a massive price differential and therefore will be more attractive to buyers than they were, relatively speaking. A 20% price hike due to the £ coupled with a 10% import tax, adds 30% to a german car that is probably already considerably more expensive.

We export more than manufactured goods HTH Are all the banks relocating?? Add 30% (20% on currency and a 10% tariff) to the cost of the French and German cars and they look a little less attractive than they do now ... Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

We export more than manufactured goods HTH Are all the banks relocating?? Add 30% (20% on currency and a 10% tariff) to the cost of the French and German cars and they look a little less attractive than they do now ... Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

And exporters will have a boost, because a 10% tariff wont offset the 20% reduction in our export prices, thanks to a weaker £ Our imbalanced economy will become more balanced. What we had was unsustainable. LOL The cost of German and French cars will go through the roof, making British made cars more attractive LOL I do accept some of the negatives, but remainers only see and highlight the negatives. Therefore, in the interests of balance, I highlight some of the positives. Guess what, in some cases the negatives outweigh the positives. But in other cases, it's vice versa

And exporters will have a boost, because a 10% tariff wont offset the 20% reduction in our export prices, thanks to a weaker £ Our imbalanced economy will become more balanced. What we had was unsustainable. LOL The cost of German and French cars will go through the roof, making British made cars more attractive LOL I do accept some of the negatives, but remainers only see and highlight the negatives. Therefore, in the interests of balance, I highlight some of the positives. Guess what, in some cases the negatives outweigh the positives. But in other cases, it's vice versa

I don't disagree with any of that. It still doesn't cover the FACT that there is more to the cost of making a car than the components. Labour, overhead etc are not imported. Components make up for approx 50% of the eventual sale price of the car. Take the Two-thirds of the components exported to the EU ... they are now 20% cheaper!!! You're still not seeing the overall picture... some of the positives outweigh or offset some of the negatives.

I don't disagree with any of that. It still doesn't cover the FACT that there is more to the cost of making a car than the components. Labour, overhead etc are not imported. Components make up for approx 50% of the eventual sale price of the car. Take the Two-thirds of the components exported to the EU ... they are now 20% cheaper!!! You're still not seeing the overall picture... some of the positives outweigh or offset some of the negatives.

In my worked example I included import and export tarriffs along with the negative impact of currency movements. . So on balance I am far more impartial. ... in fact my example was skewed in favour of remains position ... I can't help it if the net effect is stil zero LOL

In my worked example I included import and export tarriffs along with the negative impact of currency movements. . So on balance I am far more impartial. ... in fact my example was skewed in favour of remains position ... I can't help it if the net effect is stil zero LOL

It depends on whther the dealers buy in pounds or euros. It would be interesting to see if prices have fallen although I seriously doubt it. Unilever were trying to increase their prices to the EU, not reduce them. Look, if you only take the negative impacts of brexit and none of the positives, of course it looks bad. But that's not a realistic or sensible position to take.